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2020 Offers and Commitments
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GoCatsGo!!!
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oldrunner said:
Old runner are you for real??? Please tell me you don’t just listen to games or family!!! Constantine has now played two years and there is ZERO sign of improvement at all. His pocket awareness is awful and if his first read isn’t there he just chucks and ducks!! He also the knack for throwing the perfectly timed INT in the red zone or end zone. Neither Jenks nor Jake has shown they have what it takes to win an FCS national championship!! Our RB’s have been studs and I guess you’ve missed two year’s of Josh Davis huh??!! We need a QB desperately to help our RB’s and WR’s!!! That’s a HUGE missing piece. Sorry but I’m going to have to assume you’re either blind or family of the QB’s for your opinion on this subject.
GoCatsGo!!!
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oldrunner said:
Here are Constantine’s stats for this year.
CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG
209 343 60.9 2,219 6.5 15 10 69
Not exactly numbers that make me think he’s the MAN or is an all-American ready to lead WSU to the national title. Those are the stats of a game manager or backup and NOT a true #1 QB. Argue with me if you choose but I’ve watched EVERY game he’s played and it hasn’t been pretty by any means.
oldrunner
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Wow! And so it begins, the knuckleheads come out of the woodwork. I think it's all from the same person, with multiple user accounts. Please tell me that I don't live in a world with this many crazy people. They want to bad mouth a QB that just took us to the semi finals, further than any team in the history of WSU football. They want to second guess the winningest coach in the history of WSU football. They are claiming that the 4th string QB from another team is somehow better than our top guy and that they know better than any of our coaches. Just WOW.GoCatsGo!!! said:
oldrunner said:
First, it's so amazing that we are nit-picking positions that will take us from a top 5 program to a national champion contender. It has been so many years of inconsistency and ineptness that I love the state of the program right now.
I would disagree with you on the RB depth, we have 3-4 quality backs; Davis, Smith, Jackson, and Moss. O-line didn't give up many sacks this year, always room for improvement. Constantine??? good enough to take us to our best season in 100 years of Wildcat football. Will he make the improvements into his senior year to help us take the next step(s)? I don't know the answer to that question, and if he get's injured, boy I really don't know how we would fare. I did notice how the Duke quarterback kept plays alive with his feet, he was very mobile and recognized where the pressure was and how to avoid it. That can come with experience, which Jake can continue to work on (is he 100% healed?)
What about playmakers at the tight end and wide out positions? It sucked losing Rashid as a deep threat. I need more from Cooley, I want to see him catch for 200-300 yards in a game like the receiver from UM did. To do that is Cooley not getting open or Jake not being able to deliver the ball to him on target and in stride.
oldrunner said:
Come on Olds. Jake isn’t going to win us a NC. He’s average at best. If we had Cantwell this year, I believe we are still playing January 11th. I think Jake is okay, injury his worst nightmare, but he’s far from an All-American. I appreciate his play this season, but he’s a liability and can’t help with his legs. Defense and special teams beat UM this year. Football nowadays needs a QB that us mobile, like a Cantwell or the JMU we just saw. Olds, you still think Rahe is the chosen coach. Your opinions hold no water, and nobody takes your stuff seriously. Bottom line. We need a new qb and better offensive scheme.
oldrunner
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I did not say that Jake is the best QB ever, or an All American. The conversation was weather this 4th string guy from BYU is better. For some reason, there is a fan out there that thinks 0-fer at BYU is better than anything we have in our program. To me, that is a crazy sort of thing to say. They will probably bring up his Jr High stats to show how much better he is.WSUfan said:
My point on the RBs and O line positions was that if we could have established any sort of running game against the teams we faced in the playoffs, our passing game would have benefitted greatly. We had a good stable of RBs before the injury bug bit us. A slightly better O line and one more quality RB may have carried us through. Those were my points. I'm certainly not tearing down any players.
SWWeatherCat
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oldrunner said:
I don't disagree a better O-line and a healthier RB corps (specifically JD) would have helped this already very good team but better QB play and offensive play call was desperately needed. I have no idea if Critchlow would be an upgrade to Constantine but if he is reasonably mobile and able to make more than a single read it seems probable. It became pretty apparent by season's end that the offense was woefully inadequate when facing a good defense. From my perspective the problems were an O-line who struggled to open holes for RB's or consistently hold the pass rush at bay; predicable, sometimes questionable play call; and a non-mobile QB who couldn't or didn't have enough time to make multiple reads. If there are opportunities to upgrade a disappointing offense, I sure hope Hill takes them.
I’ve felt a bit resistant to have this conversation as one of Jake’s biggest fans on this board the past 18 months or so. I saw a lot of positives from him last year considering he was just a sophomore, was playing hurt, and had a lousy OC. I expected to see a big jump from him this year but it clearly didn’t happen. He was at the same level as he was last year. He’s still slightly handicapped by a conservative head coach and an OC that lacks creativity, but I don’t feel comfortable putting the game in Jake’s hands, even its against a low-tier Big Sky team much less playoff quality teams. I feel strongly that Jake is better than Jenks but I am hoping we can bring in someone who can legitimately challenge him for the starting spot next year. If we’re going to be so mediocre in the passing game then the QB needs to be a threat running the ball.
SWeberCat02
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Only thing keeping us from being on NDSU/JMU level is QB and OC. Everything else is already at that level. If you watched any games this season this should be obvious.
SWeberCat02
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Main reason the running game struggled in the playoffs was because of the teams we faced. All three had very good defensive fronts. I think the OLine had a great season and they'll be even better next. 4 starters returning, 5 if you count Downs.
Hey oldrunner can you remember a game that Jake was the reason we won the game? The bottom line with Jake is he is a average QB that's it he cant win a game by himself if the defense has a bad game we lose. If we want to get to the next level and be in a championship game we need much better QB play you are crazy if you think Jake can take us there.
We need to open up the QB competition at the very least I would like to see what Weisser looks like. We need a different QB in my opinion whether it be a transfer or another one on the team and then I think we could play or beat JMU and NDSU but not until then.
We need to open up the QB competition at the very least I would like to see what Weisser looks like. We need a different QB in my opinion whether it be a transfer or another one on the team and then I think we could play or beat JMU and NDSU but not until then.
oldrunner
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Jamie Martin was the best QB to have played at WSU. 4 year starter, All American, award winning, averaged well over 300 yards per game, had games over 600 yards, rated as one of the best passing attacks in the country, and won us how many championships?
The best three passing attacks in the BSC this past year were Davis, NAU, and EWU. Davis and EWU were rated higher than us in the preseason poles, based largely on those passing attacks. How many championships did they have between them last year? How did they do in the playoffs? Oh, that's right, no championship and no playoffs.
Everybody gets wrapped up with how the QB plays. They are certainly the most visible player on the field and they touch the ball almost every play, but there is far more that goes into winning than QB play. A good running game supports a good passing game and both are supported by good defensive/special teams play.
Constantine is and will be a better QB with a better and more consistent running game. It's always a competition for playing time. If somebody beats him out as the starting QB, then more power to them and good for us. Until that happens, fans trying to tear him down isn't helpful to any of us.
The best three passing attacks in the BSC this past year were Davis, NAU, and EWU. Davis and EWU were rated higher than us in the preseason poles, based largely on those passing attacks. How many championships did they have between them last year? How did they do in the playoffs? Oh, that's right, no championship and no playoffs.
Everybody gets wrapped up with how the QB plays. They are certainly the most visible player on the field and they touch the ball almost every play, but there is far more that goes into winning than QB play. A good running game supports a good passing game and both are supported by good defensive/special teams play.
Constantine is and will be a better QB with a better and more consistent running game. It's always a competition for playing time. If somebody beats him out as the starting QB, then more power to them and good for us. Until that happens, fans trying to tear him down isn't helpful to any of us.
Hey oldrunner did Jamie Martin have a great defense to fall back on like Jake does? I cant believe you cant see what is holding this team back from winning a championship. I dont think the offensive line is great but they are good enough and if Downs comes back next year I think that will help out a lot.
By the way did the other teams you mentioned with good QBS have a good defense that would be a no in case you were wondering. Also Critchlow was 2-1 as a starter on a bad BYU team that only won four games that year and the next year they got Zach Wilson so of course he would be the starter.
BYU also runs a lot of RPO plays because Wilson is a good runner Critchlow is a more of a pro style QB not as much of a runner
By the way did the other teams you mentioned with good QBS have a good defense that would be a no in case you were wondering. Also Critchlow was 2-1 as a starter on a bad BYU team that only won four games that year and the next year they got Zach Wilson so of course he would be the starter.
BYU also runs a lot of RPO plays because Wilson is a good runner Critchlow is a more of a pro style QB not as much of a runner
oldrunner
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It's really hard to compare defenses from that era to now. Our O scored on drives of one or two minutes. That made our D spend a lot of time on the field with next to no rest in-between stints. When we would lose games it was because our D got worn out and if the other team had any sort of running game at all they would just control the ball and dominate time of possession. Our O lines at that time were built to pass protect and were not as good at run blocking. What we did to those other teams, this past year, was quite similar to the way we used to lose games, stop the run, force them to pass, and turn them over. I think that coach Hill's approach is the right one, have a balanced attack, force the other team to be one dimensional, win the field position game, and have a heavy emphasis on special teams. This kid from BYU may be okay, but if you are knocking our guy for not being mobile enough, and he is not a runner, then I'm not seeing a big difference. I like the HS kid from Utah County because he does it all. Kylan Weiser is a dual threat guy as well. Kylan had tremendous stats in HS. Honestly, I don't think we have a QB problem. Your guy from BYU will probably end up at Dixie, SUU or ISU and then give us fits. :lol:sas123abc said:
oldrunner said:
I dont care about his bio I care about what I have seen on the field and sorry but he isnt a good enough QB to put us in the championship game. Also I wasnt comparing the defenses from Martin's team until now I was just stating that our defense is one of the best in the country and Martin's team wasnt that was my point. If you look at his bio he is a middle of the pack Big Sky QB and we need a QB at or near the top of the conference to be a championship caliber team just like our defense which is one of the best in the country.
Mrizreal221
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I think or running game did pretty good this year but when we can convert passes we get or guys banged up. I won’t blame Jake it’s more of a play calling issue. But also we were probably one team that did not have any mobility at qb. There were many 3 down plays that Jake could have taken on the run.
GoCatsGo!!!
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oldrunner said:Jamie Martin was the best QB to have played at WSU. 4 year starter, All American, award winning, averaged well over 300 yards per game, had games over 600 yards, rated as one of the best passing attacks in the country, and won us how many championships?
The best three passing attacks in the BSC this past year were Davis, NAU, and EWU. Davis and EWU were rated higher than us in the preseason poles, based largely on those passing attacks. How many championships did they have between them last year? How did they do in the playoffs? Oh, that's right, no championship and no playoffs.
Everybody gets wrapped up with how the QB plays. They are certainly the most visible player on the field and they touch the ball almost every play, but there is far more that goes into winning than QB play. A good running game supports a good passing game and both are supported by good defensive/special teams play.
Constantine is and will be a better QB with a better and more consistent running game. It's always a competition for playing time. If somebody beats him out as the starting QB, then more power to them and good for us. Until that happens, fans trying to tear him down isn't helpful to any of us.
Are you serious about a more consistent running game??? Do you watch the games or are you just making BS up Olds?? Josh Davis has only rushed for OVER 1,000 yards in two straight years, and Smith along with Jackson added yards and TD’s. I’m convinced now you’re either a troll or just an idiot. I hate getting into arguments but trying to act like our QB situation isn’t the problem is asinine!!! Neither Jake or Jenks have proven anything other than bench QB’s at most other colleges. Our defense and running game has shielded them not the other way around. Take off your blinders if you can. Please if you can other then Idaho St. name ONE game where Jake won it with remarkable play??? I’ll wait!!
