Excitement Level for Basketball

[UtahPirate]

Rahe gets paid waaay too much money. Our offense and defense is so predictable, and Rahe wont change.

I'm with WSUProf as Harding is so dang fun to watch. As my son said to me after one game, that kid is a professional scorer.

But the quote above needs a little reality check. There is a crybaby coach who seems to be an emotional 14-year old at the university just south of us. Under his guidance he has managed to cancel all in-state legacy games, disaffected the true fan (read older) base as they can't stomach his preseason schedule (which is as bad as ours -- but without the real difficulties we face -- and somehow add to his teams RPI???? -- the dumbest stat in all of sport), whose university's attendance numbers (fake news) are in reality probably less than ours, whose Johnny come-lately fanbase hardly know their university plays basketball -- and are typically bored with his junior high antics so they stay away in droves -- and who pulls down a cool $2.8 million. You can throw out some PAC reasoning as I shrug my shoulders since there are only a couple of conference programs that draw any real fan interest when you closely look at them. I just want you to know what overpaid really looks like ...

Nope... He gets paid nearly 3x the amount as the next HC in the BSC. Thats the definition of being overpaid. We are not comparing salaries to PAC-12 coaches. Rahe is the definition of being overpaid.

:clap: Ha! Ok, I'll buy that.

But you have to respect a good anti-Puke rant once and awhile. I can't stand Coach Kry on so many levels ...

About the game. Perhaps we shouldn't let the players go home for Christmas? ISU's international contingent looked like they stayed in Poky and practiced. We looked like we'd never played together before. The stupid turnovers were driving me crazy.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Rahe gets paid waaay too much money. Our offense and defense is so predictable, and Rahe wont change.

I'm with WSUProf as Harding is so dang fun to watch. As my son said to me after one game, that kid is a professional scorer.

But the quote above needs a little reality check. There is a crybaby coach who seems to be an emotional 14-year old at the university just south of us. Under his guidance he has managed to cancel all in-state legacy games, disaffected the true fan (read older) base as they can't stomach his preseason schedule (which is as bad as ours -- but without the real difficulties we face -- and somehow add to his teams RPI???? -- the dumbest stat in all of sport), whose university's attendance numbers (fake news) are in reality probably less than ours, whose Johnny come-lately fanbase hardly know their university plays basketball -- and are typically bored with his junior high antics so they stay away in droves -- and who pulls down a cool $2.8 million. You can throw out some PAC reasoning as I shrug my shoulders since there are only a couple of conference programs that draw any real fan interest when you closely look at them. I just want you to know what overpaid really looks like ...

Nope... He gets paid nearly 3x the amount as the next HC in the BSC. Thats the definition of being overpaid. We are not comparing salaries to PAC-12 coaches. Rahe is the definition of being overpaid.

:clap: Ha! Ok, I'll buy that.

But you have to respect a good anti-Puke rant once and awhile. I can't stand Coach Kry on so many levels ...

About the game. Perhaps we shouldn't let the players go home for Christmas? ISU's international contingent looked like they stayed in Poky and practiced. We looked like we'd never played together before. The stupid turnovers were driving me crazy.

:agree:
...or most anything at the school down soUth.

 

[oldrunner]

Rahe gets paid waaay too much money. Our offense and defense is so predictable, and Rahe wont change.

I'm with WSUProf as Harding is so dang fun to watch. As my son said to me after one game, that kid is a professional scorer.

But the quote above needs a little reality check. There is a crybaby coach who seems to be an emotional 14-year old at the university just south of us. Under his guidance he has managed to cancel all in-state legacy games, disaffected the true fan (read older) base as they can't stomach his preseason schedule (which is as bad as ours -- but without the real difficulties we face -- and somehow add to his teams RPI???? -- the dumbest stat in all of sport), whose university's attendance numbers (fake news) are in reality probably less than ours, whose Johnny come-lately fanbase hardly know their university plays basketball -- and are typically bored with his junior high antics so they stay away in droves -- and who pulls down a cool $2.8 million. You can throw out some PAC reasoning as I shrug my shoulders since there are only a couple of conference programs that draw any real fan interest when you closely look at them. I just want you to know what overpaid really looks like ...

Nope... He gets paid nearly 3x the amount as the next HC in the BSC. Thats the definition of being overpaid. We are not comparing salaries to PAC-12 coaches. Rahe is the definition of being overpaid.

:clap: Ha! Ok, I'll buy that.

But you have to respect a good anti-Puke rant once and awhile. I can't stand Coach Kry on so many levels ...

About the game. Perhaps we shouldn't let the players go home for Christmas? ISU's international contingent looked like they stayed in Poky and practiced. We looked like we'd never played together before. The stupid turnovers were driving me crazy.

:agree:
...or most anything at the school down soUth.

My feeling is that it is more related to the schedule. Pesentation should have been scheduled for after Christmas, like on Thursday. You could still give everyone the weekend off and then take your lumps in that game, not a BSC game. I suspect something like that happened with PSU as well.

 

[UtahPirate]

Rahe gets paid waaay too much money. Our offense and defense is so predictable, and Rahe wont change.

I'm with WSUProf as Harding is so dang fun to watch. As my son said to me after one game, that kid is a professional scorer.

But the quote above needs a little reality check. There is a crybaby coach who seems to be an emotional 14-year old at the university just south of us. Under his guidance he has managed to cancel all in-state legacy games, disaffected the true fan (read older) base as they can't stomach his preseason schedule (which is as bad as ours -- but without the real difficulties we face -- and somehow add to his teams RPI???? -- the dumbest stat in all of sport), whose university's attendance numbers (fake news) are in reality probably less than ours, whose Johnny come-lately fanbase hardly know their university plays basketball -- and are typically bored with his junior high antics so they stay away in droves -- and who pulls down a cool $2.8 million. You can throw out some PAC reasoning as I shrug my shoulders since there are only a couple of conference programs that draw any real fan interest when you closely look at them. I just want you to know what overpaid really looks like ...

Nope... He gets paid nearly 3x the amount as the next HC in the BSC. Thats the definition of being overpaid. We are not comparing salaries to PAC-12 coaches. Rahe is the definition of being overpaid.

:clap: Ha! Ok, I'll buy that.

But you have to respect a good anti-Puke rant once and awhile. I can't stand Coach Kry on so many levels ...

About the game. Perhaps we shouldn't let the players go home for Christmas? ISU's international contingent looked like they stayed in Poky and practiced. We looked like we'd never played together before. The stupid turnovers were driving me crazy.

:agree:
...or most anything at the school down soUth.

My feeling is that it is more related to the schedule. Pesentation should have been scheduled for after Christmas, like on Thursday. You could still give everyone the weekend off and then take your lumps in that game, not a BSC game. I suspect something like that happened with PSU as well.

The "not let players go home for Christmas" comment was not meant to be taken seriously. But they were sure off. Not sure what you do to have them get their game back after a long break, but that effort was sure sad. Maybe a gimme game is the answer, but we know you can find one (Presentation) before the holidays, not sure about after.

 

[n.ogdencat]

For me, this is the least excitement I have had for Weber State Basketball since the Joe Craven's era. I'm not necessarily bored with Randy Rahe Basketball. We all know, with the right players, his system can be dynamite. And, in his defense, he did make changes to his system this season. I can definitely see those changes on the court too. Yet, so far they haven't really worked out too well. We complained about the cards, they are gone, but now the offense is slow, confused, and selfish. No movement at all. Guys just stand around waiting to chuck up a 3. I thought the reason for getting rid of the cards was to speed up the offense? Defense hasn't been terrible, and he has used a 1-3-1 and 2-3 zones at times. On defense, the issue is rebounding. Rebounding is a toughness thing and that is something we just don't have.

In March, I felt there was a good amount of hype for this team with the players coming back. Regrettably that hype (other than Harding) has been tempered. Other than the season opening win over Utah State, the schedule has been a sham and the team has played really poorly. Very little chemistry. Kozak has been a decent surprise, but the other freshmen have been somewhat busts. They are talented and could develop into special players, but right now, they need to realize they aren't stars. Ary-Turner isn't the quickest and Doc has a tendency to push things and make poor decisions on offense. You can tell they are players, but DI basketball has been a bit of shock for both. Court never gets to see the floor, so what can we say about him. Why freaking burn his red shirt if you aren't going to play him. Ugh!!

To me, if I were Randy, I would play Chapman at the 4. He isn't a 3. He doesn't have the ball-handling skills needed to play the 3. Inside the arch, he is virtually unstoppable. It drives me absolutely crazy that Randy keeps letting him and Kozak chuck up threes when both can score at will in the post. Chapman starting at the 4 also saves Kozak to come in for either Chapman or Braxton. Good heavens Dallas just isn't a DI calibre guy. Finally, the biggest issue is the PG spot. Harding is great and I love him on the floor with the ball in his hands, but he isn't a PG. At the end of both halves on Saturday the Cats turned over the ball multiple times. THAT WAS THE GAME. It is a major issue, and I'm not sure how it can be answered.

 

[Wildcat_Fan]

To show my level of excitement, I forgot my password to the site. Im glad this conversation is happening because I felt bad for not really caring this year so im glad a few agree.
I still check stats and scores but have no desire to go sit in an empty Dee to watch the same coaching mistakes against lame non D1 schools. My parents who are season ticket holders for 30 YEARS had to question why they got tickets. People are tired of the same crap... plain and simple

 

[WSUfan1]

To show my level of excitement, I forgot my password to the site. Im glad this conversation is happening because I felt bad for not really caring this year so im glad a few agree.
I still check stats and scores but have no desire to go sit in an empty Dee to watch the same coaching mistakes against lame non D1 schools. My parents who are season ticket holders for 30 YEARS had to question why they got tickets. People are tired of the same crap... plain and simple

Is it really surprising that most fans feel this way? I dont, and I think this is becoming more and more apparent. I am tired of the crap, and I am finding it easy to let the smallest of conflicts keep me home. Someone mentioned earlier that we have high character kids in the program. That is great and everything, but since when do high character kids wins games? Rahe has drained all excitement out of basketball for me. From his scheduling, to losing big time games, inability to break a press, stubbornness, lack of bigs assistance coaches, non-D1's, etc. I used to think that every conf. game was so important, but with reNO, it all doesnt matter. Whether youre 1st or 14th, it doesnt matter come reNO time. Honestly, Bovee and WSU should be letting the community go to the games for free, as the product is not worth paying to see. I love Jay HIll for many reasons, and he always says that if you want to keep the fans engaged, excited and coming back for more, the game has to be appealing to the fan, and fun. Rahe coached basketball is not FUN. His sytem is so boring, and predictable, that it is like watching a replay. Time for Rahe to go? I am not sure, but the longer he is here, fans will be leaving in droves.

 

[oldrunner]

I disagree with everything you said their. Your feelings are legitimately yours, but you state your opinions like they are fact, and they are not.

You have expressed your unhappiness, and that is all fine and good, but disengaging is almost never the answer.

I suppose that you would like to go back to the good old days, with Houston, Farmer, Cravens and the like. Getting rid of a winning coach seems quite ignorant of the realities of the coaching profession.

 

[Webergrad02]

I disagree with everything you said their. Your feelings are legitimately yours, but you state your opinions like they are fact, and they are not.

You have expressed your unhappiness, and that is all fine and good, but disengaging is almost never the answer.

I suppose that you would like to go back to the good old days, with Houston, Farmer, Cravens and the like. Getting rid of a winning coach seems quite ignorant of the realities of the coaching profession.

Olds I appreciate your unwavering support, but Rahe has lost the fire he had 10 years ago. His teams are becoming undisciplined and very selfish. He doesn't take accountability or criticism very well for that matter. The excuses have gotten very old. So how else do you vote but with your pocket book? Not everyone can afford to keep 15 row 5 seats in section M like you. The major problem with the apathy growing among the fan base is that it seams to be the middle age fans and donors that are becoming restless with the current state of the program. As the members of the Wildcat club die off, you are not going to have the next wave of donors. I respect everything that coach has done for the program, but I never have been really comfortable having to rely on private donations to pay his high salary. I also didn't think an 8 year extension was in the best interest of the program. I am a life long fan, but it is clear that interest is going down.

 

[oldrunner]

I disagree with everything you said their. Your feelings are legitimately yours, but you state your opinions like they are fact, and they are not.

You have expressed your unhappiness, and that is all fine and good, but disengaging is almost never the answer.

I suppose that you would like to go back to the good old days, with Houston, Farmer, Cravens and the like. Getting rid of a winning coach seems quite ignorant of the realities of the coaching profession.

Olds I appreciate your unwavering support, but Rahe has lost the fire he had 10 years ago. His teams are becoming undisciplined and very selfish. He doesn't take accountability or criticism very well for that matter. The excuses have gotten very old. So how else do you vote but with your pocket book? Not everyone can afford to keep 15 row 5 seats in section M like you. The major problem with the apathy growing among the fan base is that it seams to be the middle age fans and donors that are becoming restless with the current state of the program. As the members of the Wildcat club die off, you are not going to have the next wave of donors. I respect everything that coach has done for the program, but I never have been really comfortable having to rely on private donations to pay his high salary. I also didn't think an 8 year extension was in the best interest of the program. I am a life long fan, but it is clear that interest is going down.

I totally get where you are coming from. I too want more. I just don't think that starting over is the most wise thing to do.

Not sure who said it, but things are never as bad, or as good, as people make them out to be.

 

[WSUfan1]

I disagree with everything you said their. Your feelings are legitimately yours, but you state your opinions like they are fact, and they are not.

You have expressed your unhappiness, and that is all fine and good, but disengaging is almost never the answer.

I suppose that you would like to go back to the good old days, with Houston, Farmer, Cravens and the like. Getting rid of a winning coach seems quite ignorant of the realities of the coaching profession.

Olds I appreciate your unwavering support, but Rahe has lost the fire he had 10 years ago. His teams are becoming undisciplined and very selfish. He doesn't take accountability or criticism very well for that matter. The excuses have gotten very old. So how else do you vote but with your pocket book? Not everyone can afford to keep 15 row 5 seats in section M like you. The major problem with the apathy growing among the fan base is that it seams to be the middle age fans and donors that are becoming restless with the current state of the program. As the members of the Wildcat club die off, you are not going to have the next wave of donors. I respect everything that coach has done for the program, but I never have been really comfortable having to rely on private donations to pay his high salary. I also didn't think an 8 year extension was in the best interest of the program. I am a life long fan, but it is clear that interest is going down.

I totally get where you are coming from. I too want more. I just don't think that starting over is the most wise thing to do.

Not sure who said it, but things are never as bad, or as good, as people make them out to be.

I stated this last year, and I will again this year. With Rahe as HC, we have peaked and reached our limits. When we get to the dance, we will always be a 15/16 seed or play-in game. Again, the program under Rahe will never get better, it will always be what it is. At least starting over we could bring in a coach who values OOC games, good home schedules, wants to beat in-state school, runs a fun offense, can beat the press, and makes fans want to go to the games. Olds, I too appreciate your dedication to Rahe, but I think a fair majority now, are fed up with how things turn out year after year.

Also, I hate how Rahe owns the athletic department. It does not appear that he is held to anyone accountability. He gets to do things his way, and Bovee allows it. The scheduling needs to be cleaned up, and Bovee should see to it.

 

[oldrunner]

Interesting..., How we both think we speak for the majority. :lol: :lol:

 

[Webergrad02]

I think you can judge the excitement level by the fact that no one has replied to the NAU game thread.

 

[WSUfan1]

I think you can judge the excitement level by the fact that no one has replied to the NAU game thread.

Or by the number of empty seats at games.....

 

[Webergrad02]

I think you can judge the excitement level by the fact that no one has replied to the NAU game thread.

Or by the number of empty seats at games.....

But as long as we report to the NCAA 6,300 our attendance is great. I actually thought the Idaho State crowd was decent.

 

[WSUfan1]

I think you can judge the excitement level by the fact that no one has replied to the NAU game thread.

Or by the number of empty seats at games.....

But as long as we report to the NCAA 6,300 our attendance is great. I actually thought the Idaho State crowd was decent.

ISU crowd was nice. Tonight, I am not as optimistic.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

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At least starting over we could bring in a coach who values OOC games, good home schedules, wants to beat in-state school, runs a fun offense, can beat the press, and makes fans want to go to the games.
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It would be refreshing to have a coach with some fire and passion for taking on whoever, wherever and the competitiveness to be pissed off at every loss because they should have won it, even if reality says differently. It would be nice to have a coach who understands the importance and tradition of in-state competition and would do more to compete better. It would be refreshing to have a coach who's excitement and passion for the game ignited the fan base and community. I haven't been on the get rid of Rahe train but his program is not an exciting brand and is loosing many decades old fans.

 

[WSUfan1]

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At least starting over we could bring in a coach who values OOC games, good home schedules, wants to beat in-state school, runs a fun offense, can beat the press, and makes fans want to go to the games.
...

It would be refreshing to have a coach with some fire and passion for taking on whoever, wherever and the competitiveness to be pissed off at every loss because they should have won it, even if reality says differently. It would be nice to have a coach who understands the importance and tradition of in-state competition and would do more to compete better. It would be refreshing to have a coach who's excitement and passion for the game ignited the fan base and community. I haven't been on the get rid of Rahe train but his program is not an exciting brand and is loosing many decades old fans.

Yes it is. Rahe does not want to do what it takes to be the talk of town. I saw this football season, Hill take over the community, and a large portion of the state during the playoffs. Every time he talked, he talked up the school, program, players, fans, etc. He was vocal about wanting to be the best, make adjustments when needed, make the games fun to watch, filing the stands, and winning. I dont see any of that with Rahe. I am sickened by his contract extension, the extension was too much time. I sense that coaching is turning more into a hobby rather than a job for Rahe. The opposite can be said for Jay Hill.

 

[WSUfan1]

Another reason I can tell there is less excitement this season. I have not seen Weberski post for some time. And that is saying something...

 

[SWWeatherCat]

I disagree with everything you said their. Your feelings are legitimately yours, but you state your opinions like they are fact, and they are not.

You have expressed your unhappiness, and that is all fine and good, but disengaging is almost never the answer.

I suppose that you would like to go back to the good old days, with Houston, Farmer, Cravens and the like. Getting rid of a winning coach seems quite ignorant of the realities of the coaching profession.

disengaging is almost never the answer.

It doesn't seem to me like you understand that first, and foremost this is an entertainment product that consumers pay to purchase. If consumers are not satisfied with what they are paying for (in most cases) they will cease purchasing the product or find a different one that is satisfying to them.

I suppose that you would like to go back to the good old days, with Houston, Farmer, Cravens and the like. Getting rid of a winning coach seems quite ignorant of the realities of the coaching profession.

I didn't think the Cravens days were all that bad, but just as you could end up with a Houston or Farmer, you could also find a McCarthy or Abegglen-- the odds go both ways, look no further than Coach Hill. I liked Coach MAC but he may as well be a Cravens compared to Hill. I believe there are plenty of capable coaches around, especially with the facilities and resources available at WSU. There seem to be several capable coaches around the BSC, UVU, etc. doing as much with (arguably) less to work with. If Rahe is that good; if he is worth that much, then why aren't other schools knocking down his door?

Again, I'm not calling for a new coach but my interest level would probably spike with a change because good or bad, there would be hope for something new and exciting to develop as it has with the football program. Even the 1st 2 years of struggle under Hill there was an air of excitement because the program was changing and many of the changes were engaging to the fan/consumer.