Excitement Level for Basketball

[oldrunner]

Okay, here is what this HORRIBLE coach has done.

He is, by far, the best recruiter to have ever coached at WSU.

He has won more games than any other coach in the history of the BSC.

No other WSU coach has motivated his players better than Randy.

No other WSU coach has conducted himself with more integrity than Randy.

No other WSU coach has been more loyal to WSU than Randy.

He has graduated a higher percentage of players than any other WSU BB coach.

Some of you see that as the reasons to fire a man. :shocking:

 

[SWeberCat02]

He has graduated a higher percentage of players than any other WSU BB coach.

Not saying you're making this up, but I'd like to see something to support this. Most of his recruits never last the four years it takes to graduate.

 

[Webergrad02]

He is, by far, the best recruiter to have ever coached at WSU.

He has won more games than any other coach in the history of the BSC.

No other WSU coach has motivated his players better than Randy.

No other WSU coach has conducted himself with more integrity than Randy.

No other WSU coach has been more loyal to WSU than Randy.

He has graduated a higher percentage of players than any other WSU BB coach.

Some of you see that as the reasons to fire a man. :shocking:

He is, by far, the best recruiter to have ever coached at WSU - I think that is correct but he also seems to counsel more players out than previous coaches. There also appears to be serious chemistry issues with some of these amazing recruits playing together.

No other WSU coach has conducted himself with more integrity than Randy. - What do you consider integrity? Does making loads of excuses count as integrity? What about the unwillingness to hold players and staff accountable.

No other WSU coach has motivated his players better than Randy - I know you were there on Saturday. Our team did not look motivated at all, save maybe two players.

No other WSU coach has been more loyal to WSU than Randy. - Easy to be loyal with an 8 year extension.

I see what you are saying Olds. And we should be greatful for what Randy has accomplished. But you apply these same characteristics to Randy's conduct and his teams since the 8 year extension and your arguments aren't as solid. Excitement for the current state of the program is down. It is nice that we have given coach these lifetime achievement awards, but as of right now we have a soft, selfish an undisciplined basketball team. Other than Hardings heroics, this team isn't fun to watch.

 

[oldrunner]

He has graduated a higher percentage of players than any other WSU BB coach.

Not saying you're making this up, but I'd like to see something to support this. Most of his recruits never last the four years it takes to graduate.

I'm not as sure as I would like to be. That is my observation. Most all of the players who have left early have either come back to graduate or have graduated from another institution. It would be hard to compare with the Dick Mata era. Back then you could graduate with a degree in welding or auto mechanics, auto body repair or hair styling. Some of the players of that era couldn't read or write. It's a little different academic environment today. I have followed our program since its inception, seen a lot of players come and go, so I will stand by my claim. Prove me wrong if you can.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Randy has been a good coach for Weber State. He is a man of high character and integrity and expects the same from his athletes. While coach, there have been some truly talented kids come into the program. He is a great recruiter. That is the truth. The best ever? Well, McCarthy, Motta, and Johnson were pretty damn good at finding kids. He is better than Abegglen at recruiting, but Coach A was a great X's and O's coach, who was pretty good at getting recruits too, even if he wasn't the most honest all of the time.

I don't think it is fair to attack him for counselling out kids. That is the nature of the beast in the NCAA right now and is occurring at virtually every DI program in the country. The national average, I think, is a ridiculous 2 kids per year transferring (I predict that two or three will be leaving Weber at the end of this year too).

We can't really debate fact either. He has the most wins of all time and one of the top winning percentages in program and conference history. And yes, he is very loyal and that is something I am grateful for. For me, it is one reason to admire Coach Rahe.

Yes...he has his limitations. He is damn stubborn. Against Arizona a few years back the Cats should have started hacking a Gordon with 6 to go, but he wouldn't do it. Even if it meant winning the game. If he can't win his way, he doesn't want to win. Sometimes its rather silly. Like when he starts shortening the game with 10 to play and a lead of 5. He slows down his offense and then his kids take bad shots, and end up losing a close game. Being able to break a press or zone has been a constant issue and the lack of creativity on the defensive end is mesmerizing. However, his teams do play solid defense. If you can't play tough man D, no matter how good you are offensively, you aren't going to play. Just his style. At the end of the day. He is a good coach and we have been fortunate to have him, even though there are things about him that absolutely drive me nutty.

 

[Wildcat_Fan]

Agreed that we were lucky to have Rahe who has produced teams with Dame, Scotty, Bolomboy, Davis, so on.. but it seems as if he is content on riding the coat tails of his own work.
UVU played Duke & Kentucky in back to back games and we got Iona as our best game? (minus byu as they are on the schedule every year, thank goodness)
The department can keep reporting 6300 fans but anyone who was there or can see the pictures knows they would be lucky if there was half that.

It flat out isnt fun to watch weber. Plain and simple.

 

[oldrunner]

Word. From Zack.

https://twitter.com/zach_b34/status/949887786982625281

 

[DeeScott]

To Wildcat_Fan:

I agree that losing to ISU wasn't too much fun, but what kind of screen name is that when you are saying that it isn't fun to watch Weber?! Those last two games were pretty fun. Take a look at any team in America in the top 25, and they lose to "lesser" teams all the time. Michigan State lost today by 16 points to Ohio State, Duke lost to Boston College and NC State last week, both lower-level ACC teams. This week, Arizona State lost to Colorado, Oregon lost to Oregon State, Xavier lost to Providence. It happens in college basketball, so quit acting like the sky is falling when Weber loses to a lower-tier school. There are peaks and valleys to every season because college basketball is really hard, and these are 18-21 year olds trying to be at their athletic peak each week. Either you are a fan, or you aren't, but don't be a critic of every "valley" the team experiences. Randy Rahe is a fine coach and deserves the money he gets. Yes, he's the highest-paid coach in the BSC, but all coaches who have the record he has should be. Mark Few is the highest-paid guy in the WCC and he should be, because he's earned it. Randy earns 1/3 of Mark Few's salary for keeping his team at the top of his league every year. Here in the state, Randy earns 1/6 of Larry Krystowiak's salary for doing basically the same job. Let's be Wildcat fans!

 

[Webergrad02]

To Wildcat_Fan:

I agree that losing to ISU wasn't too much fun, but what kind of screen name is that when you are saying that it isn't fun to watch Weber?! Those last two games were pretty fun. Take a look at any team in America in the top 25, and they lose to "lesser" teams all the time. Michigan State lost today by 16 points to Ohio State, Duke lost to Boston College and NC State last week, both lower-level ACC teams. This week, Arizona State lost to Colorado, Oregon lost to Oregon State, Xavier lost to Providence. It happens in college basketball, so quit acting like the sky is falling when Weber loses to a lower-tier school. There are peaks and valleys to every season because college basketball is really hard, and these are 18-21 year olds trying to be at their athletic peak each week. Either you are a fan, or you aren't, but don't be a critic of every "valley" the team experiences. Randy Rahe is a fine coach and deserves the money he gets. Yes, he's the highest-paid coach in the BSC, but all coaches who have the record he has should be. Mark Few is the highest-paid guy in the WCC and he should be, because he's earned it. Randy earns 1/3 of Mark Few's salary for keeping his team at the top of his league every year. Here in the state, Randy earns 1/6 of Larry Krystowiak's salary for doing basically the same job. Let's be Wildcat fans!

To Dee Scott:
The word you should have used is puppet. A fan can have opinions on how the program is run. A fan can speak up about the half ass effort our team showed against ISU. The loss against ISU wasn't about getting beati by a lesser team, it was about a weak effort and selfish play. As fans, alums and boosters, we have every right to say something. In all fairness the effort has been much better the last two games and the results have represented that. There are many threads about coaches salary and 8 year contract extension. The fact is that coaches salary represents a bigger percentage of our overall athletic budget and the fact that approximately half of his salary comes from private donations is a little worrying. Comparing Webers salary to the U of U's salary is like comparing a bath tub toy boat to a massive cruise liner. The U of U's athletic budget has gotten crazy big and they can afford to over pay for mediocrity more than Weber can.

 

[DeeScott]

To Webergrad02:

Weber has become accustomed dominating the Big Sky, so fans have high expectations, and when the team falls short of those expectations, fans can and should have opinions--it means they care! I didn't mean that fans should be all "puppydogs and sunshine" regardless of how the team is performing, just hoping that people understand how hard it is to maintain that constant edge that keeps you on top. It seems to me that the team played more like a team the past two games and not so selfish. Team chemistry and extra passes really help a team develop that winning edge.

 

[Webergrad02]

To Webergrad02:

Weber has become accustomed dominating the Big Sky, so fans have high expectations, and when the team falls short of those expectations, fans can and should have opinions--it means they care! I didn't mean that fans should be all "puppydogs and sunshine" regardless of how the team is performing, just hoping that people understand how hard it is to maintain that constant edge that keeps you on top. It seems to me that the team played more like a team the past two games and not so selfish. Team chemistry and extra passes really help a team develop that winning edge.

I agree the last two games have been a great effort and ball movement has been pretty good. The last two games have been exciting B-Ball. I loved how Baker and Doc have contributed to the ball movement lately. Feeding Braxton and letting him be the beast that he is will totally pay off in the Big Sky season.

I think one of the main points that has been made in this thread is that the schedule and timing this year hurt the excitment level surrounding the program. We weren't prepared for the first game of the season. Luckily the ship was righted pretty quickly.

 

[WSUfan1]

Look, blowing out two terrible teams at home is fun, and thats good and everything. Nobody one here is mad about winning conf. games. I think the issues we are having, stem from the pathetic scheduling, lack of quality OOC wins, and losing to in-state teams. Beating those two teams is not all that exciting, because it is expected to do at home. I think the OOC games are pointless with Rahe. We hardly win those games. Come conf. time, we are beating up on sub 300 teams. The excitement of conf, games has gone away due to reNO. I hate when Rahe says, "were going on the road and try and ""steal a win." This implies that we should lose, but we will try and steal a game... I hate that mentality. Also, someone mentioned that Rahe has had good playes in Dame, Joel, Berry, Jeremy, Bam etc.This is true, but a glaring reality is this. Even with those players, he only got to the dance 2 times, never with Dame, and both times as 16 seeds. Pathetic..

 

[WSUfan1]

To Webergrad02:

Weber has become accustomed dominating the Big Sky, so fans have high expectations, and when the team falls short of those expectations, fans can and should have opinions--it means they care! I didn't mean that fans should be all "puppydogs and sunshine" regardless of how the team is performing, just hoping that people understand how hard it is to maintain that constant edge that keeps you on top. It seems to me that the team played more like a team the past two games and not so selfish. Team chemistry and extra passes really help a team develop that winning edge.

Look Dee Scott, Weber is not always the best team in the BSC. Since Rahe has been here, I would give the edge to Montana. Rahe is terrible at winning the big games.This fan has high expectations, not these lowly goals that Rahe sets. This team, 12 years into the Rahe campaign, has yet to make any real noise. By now, we should be able to win games in OCC and freaking BYU at least once. Have you ever looked at Rahe's OOC record? I suggest you do that, at then tell me if his $500K is justified.

 

[Webergrad02]

Look, blowing out two terrible teams at home is fun, and thats good and everything. Nobody one here is mad about winning conf. games. I think the issues we are having, stem from the pathetic scheduling, lack of quality OOC wins, and losing to in-state teams. Beating those two teams is not all that exciting, because it is expected to do at home. I think the OOC games are pointless with Rahe. We hardly win those games. Come conf. time, we are beating up on sub 300 teams. The excitement of conf, games has gone away due to reNO. I hate when Rahe says, "were going on the road and try and ""steal a win." This implies that we should lose, but we will try and steal a game... I hate that mentality. Also, someone mentioned that Rahe has had good playes in Dame, Joel, Berry, Jeremy, Bam etc.This is true, but a glaring reality is this. Even with those players, he only got to the dance 2 times, never with Dame, and both times as 16 seeds. Pathetic..

Not to ruin your rant with facts but, Rahe has been to the dance three times. Twice as a 15 seed and once as a 16 seed. Not a huge difference but I felt like when we were a 16 sedd vs. Arizona we deserved a little better.

 

[WSUfan1]

Look, blowing out two terrible teams at home is fun, and thats good and everything. Nobody one here is mad about winning conf. games. I think the issues we are having, stem from the pathetic scheduling, lack of quality OOC wins, and losing to in-state teams. Beating those two teams is not all that exciting, because it is expected to do at home. I think the OOC games are pointless with Rahe. We hardly win those games. Come conf. time, we are beating up on sub 300 teams. The excitement of conf, games has gone away due to reNO. I hate when Rahe says, "were going on the road and try and ""steal a win." This implies that we should lose, but we will try and steal a game... I hate that mentality. Also, someone mentioned that Rahe has had good playes in Dame, Joel, Berry, Jeremy, Bam etc.This is true, but a glaring reality is this. Even with those players, he only got to the dance 2 times, never with Dame, and both times as 16 seeds. Pathetic..

Not to ruin your rant with facts but, Rahe has been to the dance three times. Twice as a 15 seed and once as a 16 seed. Not a huge difference but I felt like when we were a 16 sedd vs. Arizona we deserved a little better.

Yes, he went as a 15 seed in 06-07, but not with the listed players.

 

[WSUfan1]

What should be the gauge to which we, as fan, get excited? I am to the point were I think we should continue to beat USU, at least beat BYU once, beat UVU in Orem, get a better OCC (including home games), somehow abolish reNO, win games at the Dance. This program is going on 20 years without winning a game there. Rahe has been three times in 11 years (soon to be 12), with an average of 15.33 seed. Yes, the conference kills our rpi rank, but we need to be getting in the 12-14 range. A run in the dance would do us more good than Dame recognition at this point.

 

[Wildcat_Fan]

To Wildcat_Fan:

I agree that losing to ISU wasn't too much fun, but what kind of screen name is that when you are saying that it isn't fun to watch Weber?! Those last two games were pretty fun. Take a look at any team in America in the top 25, and they lose to "lesser" teams all the time. Michigan State lost today by 16 points to Ohio State, Duke lost to Boston College and NC State last week, both lower-level ACC teams. This week, Arizona State lost to Colorado, Oregon lost to Oregon State, Xavier lost to Providence. It happens in college basketball, so quit acting like the sky is falling when Weber loses to a lower-tier school. There are peaks and valleys to every season because college basketball is really hard, and these are 18-21 year olds trying to be at their athletic peak each week. Either you are a fan, or you aren't, but don't be a critic of every "valley" the team experiences. Randy Rahe is a fine coach and deserves the money he gets. Yes, he's the highest-paid coach in the BSC, but all coaches who have the record he has should be. Mark Few is the highest-paid guy in the WCC and he should be, because he's earned it. Randy earns 1/3 of Mark Few's salary for keeping his team at the top of his league every year. Here in the state, Randy earns 1/6 of Larry Krystowiak's salary for doing basically the same job. Let's be Wildcat fans!

The screen name comes from 27 years of watching weber state basketball. From Harold the show beating UNC to watching Dame rise to a star, to the production of reNO. Weber is my home team.
I dont care about the lost to ISU. It was a lack of effort and determination. I, as so many on here are, am talking about the program as a whole. It seems to be deteriorating and it is starting to show in the fan base. Scheduling is one of the biggest concerns and I for one am tired of the lame excuses from Jerry and Rahe that we will play anyone anytime, but yet the art institute of Utah, Lumberjack Culinary college, & North Pole University show up on our schedule. Yes we need tune up games but give me a break. Tell me the last notable OOC home game we have had. Maybe Denver last year or South Dakota State in 15-16 season.
As far as pay goes i expect the highest paid coach to win the most. And challenge his team & himself as a coach with the toughest schedule every year. You want to compare us to Gonzaga? Look at what they have done? National powerhouse! Few sells out the Dog Pound with games people want to watch. And by doing that he more than pays for his salary. Weber literally cant pay for Rahe. If it werent for donors we would hand him a sticky note with an IOU.
I b!tch and whine because I know WEber is capable of so much more.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Just as a reminder, but the reNO catastrophe was pushed by the conference not by the school, department or program (even though I feel that Rahe condoned it. Something like shooting yourself in the foot with the hope of running faster). However, I think the conference was able to get Weber to vote for something that was definitely not in our self-interest, by making us believe we had a chance of hosting the tournament at the Dee. Wow...the delusion of thinking we actually had a chance. I can just see Jerry saying, "so you're saying we've got a chance."

 

[Webergrad02]

Just as a reminder, but the reNO catastrophe was pushed by the conference not by the school, department or program (even though I feel that Rahe condoned it. Something like shooting yourself in the foot with the hope of running faster). However, I think the conference was able to get Weber to vote for something that was definitely not in our self-interest, by making us believe we had a chance of hosting the tournament at the Dee. Wow...the delusion of thinking we actually had a chance. I can just see Jerry saying, "so you're saying we've got a chance."

But remember Jerry first said "that there wasn't really a vote." Then someone posted proof of the voting results being unanimous. Just enough Jerry, Just enough.

 

[WSUfan1]

Just as a reminder, but the reNO catastrophe was pushed by the conference not by the school, department or program (even though I feel that Rahe condoned it. Something like shooting yourself in the foot with the hope of running faster). However, I think the conference was able to get Weber to vote for something that was definitely not in our self-interest, by making us believe we had a chance of hosting the tournament at the Dee. Wow...the delusion of thinking we actually had a chance. I can just see Jerry saying, "so you're saying we've got a chance."

But remember Jerry first said "that there wasn't really a vote." Then someone posted proof of the voting results being unanimous. Just enough Jerry, Just enough.

The accountability within the athletic department is extremely disheartening.