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Gubrud transfering

LDopaPDX said:
It would be very hard for me to imagine Gubrud doesn’t instantly become “the guy” if he goes to Wazzu or Utah. He’s probably one of the best 10 QBs in the country that will likely be on rosters next year.

I was talking to a big WSU booster last week and he said there is some pushback on bringing in another one-year transfer QB. I told him that is understandable, but if it means the difference between being 5-7 and 9-3, it’s a no-brainer. Leach isn’t going to allow his team to get worse if a better option is available.

Guessing you're just trying to get my goat.

This QB is the future IMO at WSU.
http://www.hudl.com/profile/3313671/Cammon-Cooper

Utes two guys don't suck and will thrive going back to a Ludwig offense..

As far as stack ranking all QB's, can we agree that Trevor Lawrence is number 1? If we can't agree on that, anything else said is blather. :)
 
luckyintheorder said:
LDopaPDX said:
It would be very hard for me to imagine Gubrud doesn’t instantly become “the guy” if he goes to Wazzu or Utah. He’s probably one of the best 10 QBs in the country that will likely be on rosters next year.

I was talking to a big WSU booster last week and he said there is some pushback on bringing in another one-year transfer QB. I told him that is understandable, but if it means the difference between being 5-7 and 9-3, it’s a no-brainer. Leach isn’t going to allow his team to get worse if a better option is available.

Guessing you're just trying to get my goat.

This QB is the future IMO at WSU.
http://www.hudl.com/profile/3313671/Cammon-Cooper

Utes two guys don't suck and will thrive going back to a Ludwig offense..

As far as stack ranking all QB's, can we agree that Trevor Lawrence is number 1? If we can't agree on that, anything else said is blather. :)

Doesn't Utah's starter return this year? I know he was injured, but he's pretty good and would be competition for Gage if he went there. I think Gage starts at Wazzu right away.

I'm still confused on how he gets a 6th year of eligibility? I understand the 1/3 game thing, but he already redshirted and my understanding was you had to miss significant time in a couple years with an injury to be granted a 6th year...
 
marceagfan5 said:
luckyintheorder said:
LDopaPDX said:
It would be very hard for me to imagine Gubrud doesn’t instantly become “the guy” if he goes to Wazzu or Utah. He’s probably one of the best 10 QBs in the country that will likely be on rosters next year.

I was talking to a big WSU booster last week and he said there is some pushback on bringing in another one-year transfer QB. I told him that is understandable, but if it means the difference between being 5-7 and 9-3, it’s a no-brainer. Leach isn’t going to allow his team to get worse if a better option is available.

Guessing you're just trying to get my goat.

This QB is the future IMO at WSU.
http://www.hudl.com/profile/3313671/Cammon-Cooper

Utes two guys don't suck and will thrive going back to a Ludwig offense..

As far as stack ranking all QB's, can we agree that Trevor Lawrence is number 1? If we can't agree on that, anything else said is blather. :)

Doesn't Utah's starter return this year? I know he was injured, but he's pretty good and would be competition for Gage if he went there. I think Gage starts at Wazzu right away.

I'm still confused on how he gets a 6th year of eligibility? I understand the 1/3 game thing, but he already redshirted and my understanding was you had to miss significant time in a couple years with an injury to be granted a 6th year...

12.8.1.5 Five-Year Rule Waiver. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or its designated committee,
by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may approve waivers of the five-year rule as
it deems appropriate. (Revised: 7/30/10, 7/31/14)
12.8.1.5.1 Waiver Criteria. A waiver of the five-year period of eligibility is designed to provide a studentathlete
with the opportunity to participate in four seasons of intercollegiate competition within a five-year
period. This waiver may be granted, based upon objective evidence, for reasons that are beyond the control
of the student-athlete or the institution, which deprive the student-athlete of the opportunity to participate
for more than one season in his or her sport within the five-year period.


so in order for GG to be eligible he really needs to clear 2 waivers.

1.He needs to get a 5 year eligibility waiver on which he needs to prove that for reasons beyond his control he was deprived of an opportunity to participate in more than one season in football.

2.He also needs to get a medical hardship waiver. He needs to prove that he
-suffered the injury during one of the 4 years of college OR during his senior year of HS
-The injury must be incapacitating and be a "season ending injury"
-Injury must be prior to the second half of the participating season
-Student must not complete 30% of the games played for the season

1. Because he already red shirted...he already has used all 5 years of eligibility...thats why he needs this waiver. This is the hard one in my mind for him to get...I don't see anywhere where he was deprived of a year of football. Unless he's claiming he had to RS in 14 due to a injury...but he was Scout player of the week multiple times I do believe...other than that he played all year every year...15 a place holder...16 starter...17 starter and 18 starter for 33% of games.

2. He meets all these criteria except the last one. he played in 5 of 15 games, that's 33% which is close...but more than 33% and only that close due to the fact EWU had an outstanding year and went to the ship. The NCAA would have to think that its okay to give a player on a great team more privileged than a player on a mediocre team. He is high profile for the FCS, breaking records and being a WP award candidate 2 times....would have been 3. So I can see the NCAA still giving this one away...because it's the NCAA
 
mtgrizfankb said:
marceagfan5 said:
luckyintheorder said:
LDopaPDX said:
It would be very hard for me to imagine Gubrud doesn’t instantly become “the guy” if he goes to Wazzu or Utah. He’s probably one of the best 10 QBs in the country that will likely be on rosters next year.

I was talking to a big WSU booster last week and he said there is some pushback on bringing in another one-year transfer QB. I told him that is understandable, but if it means the difference between being 5-7 and 9-3, it’s a no-brainer. Leach isn’t going to allow his team to get worse if a better option is available.

Guessing you're just trying to get my goat.

This QB is the future IMO at WSU.
http://www.hudl.com/profile/3313671/Cammon-Cooper

Utes two guys don't suck and will thrive going back to a Ludwig offense..

As far as stack ranking all QB's, can we agree that Trevor Lawrence is number 1? If we can't agree on that, anything else said is blather. :)

Doesn't Utah's starter return this year? I know he was injured, but he's pretty good and would be competition for Gage if he went there. I think Gage starts at Wazzu right away.

I'm still confused on how he gets a 6th year of eligibility? I understand the 1/3 game thing, but he already redshirted and my understanding was you had to miss significant time in a couple years with an injury to be granted a 6th year...

12.8.1.5 Five-Year Rule Waiver. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or its designated committee,
by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may approve waivers of the five-year rule as
it deems appropriate. (Revised: 7/30/10, 7/31/14)
12.8.1.5.1 Waiver Criteria. A waiver of the five-year period of eligibility is designed to provide a studentathlete
with the opportunity to participate in four seasons of intercollegiate competition within a five-year
period. This waiver may be granted, based upon objective evidence, for reasons that are beyond the control
of the student-athlete or the institution, which deprive the student-athlete of the opportunity to participate
for more than one season in his or her sport within the five-year period.


so in order for GG to be eligible he really needs to clear 2 waivers.

1.He needs to get a 5 year eligibility waiver on which he needs to prove that for reasons beyond his control he was deprived of an opportunity to participate in more than one season in football.

2.He also needs to get a medical hardship waiver. He needs to prove that he
-suffered the injury during one of the 4 years of college OR during his senior year of HS
-The injury must be incapacitating and be a "season ending injury"
-Injury must be prior to the second half of the participating season
-Student must not complete 30% of the games played for the season

1. Because he already red shirted...he already has used all 5 years of eligibility...thats why he needs this waiver. This is the hard one in my mind for him to get...I don't see anywhere where he was deprived of a year of football. Unless he's claiming he had to RS in 14 due to a injury...but he was Scout player of the week multiple times I do believe...other than that he played all year every year...15 a place holder...16 starter...17 starter and 18 starter for 33% of games.

2. He meets all these criteria except the last one. he played in 5 of 15 games, that's 33% which is close...but more than 33% and only that close due to the fact EWU had an outstanding year and went to the ship. The NCAA would have to think that its okay to give a player on a great team more privileged than a player on a mediocre team. He is high profile for the FCS, breaking records and being a WP award candidate 2 times....would have been 3. So I can see the NCAA still giving this one away...because it's the NCAA

:thumb:
 
Trevor Lawrence would be my single pick for the guy who'll be the best QB in 2019. That said, he's probably the best guy from an NFL mold and certainly a very high draft pick when he comes out. I'm sure there will be guys who will be more productive as QBs, though. Part of it is that QBs with good footwork can be better college QBs (see: Gubrud) and a bigger part is Clemson's offensive versatility means they have more dimensions than just counting on a QB to win them games.

And his girlfriend is a total smoke show.
 
LDopaPDX said:
Trevor Lawrence would be my single pick for the guy who'll be the best QB in 2019. That said, he's probably the best guy from an NFL mold and certainly a very high draft pick when he comes out. I'm sure there will be guys who will be more productive as QBs, though. Part of it is that QBs with good footwork can be better college QBs (see: Gubrud) and a bigger part is Clemson's offensive versatility means they have more dimensions than just counting on a QB to win them games.

And his girlfriend is a total smoke show.
She looks like one of my middle school students
 
lol..98, was thinking the same thing. I coach middle school girls sports.
And he kinda looks like a middle school boy cept he's bigger..lots bigger.
 
Obzerver said:
lol..98, was thinking the same thing. I coach middle school girls sports.
And he kinda looks like a middle school boy cept he's bigger..lots bigger.

These "impressions" y'all are having are sort of alarming. :shock: Just two super fabulous young adults.

Trevor_Lawrence_Girlfriend_Marissa_Mowry-8.jpg
 
luckyintheorder said:
Obzerver said:
lol..98, was thinking the same thing. I coach middle school girls sports And he kinda looks like a middle school boy cept he's lots bigger.

These impressions y'all are having are sort of alarming, Just two super fabulous young adults.

Trevor_Lawrence_Girlfriend_Marissa_Mowry-8.jpg

That 12 year old is the “total smoke show”? :ohno: :ohno:
 
Sounds like it is officially wsu, just waiting on the NCAA to approve an extra year of eligibility.

Seems reasonably classy for Gage, but I'd be very upset as any of the QBs at WSU.
 
tomq04 said:
Sounds like it is officially wsu, just waiting on the NCAA to approve an extra year of eligibility.

Seems reasonably classy for Gage, but I'd be very upset as any of the QBs at WSU.
Plus how do you recruit from here on out if your Leach ... Is it come in and compete speech, but if I am other coaches I am saying look he's going to bring someone else in regardless. So you might want to sign with us.
 
EWU98 said:
tomq04 said:
Sounds like it is officially wsu, just waiting on the NCAA to approve an extra year of eligibility.

Seems reasonably classy for Gage, but I'd be very upset as any of the QBs at WSU.
Plus how do you recruit from here on out if your Leach ... Is it come in and compete speech, but if I am other coaches I am saying look he's going to bring someone else in regardless. So you might want to sign with us.
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That was brought up when BIG play VA went to Oregon...they recovered
 
EAGLEFUZZ said:
EWU98 said:
tomq04 said:
Sounds like it is officially wsu, just waiting on the NCAA to approve an extra year of eligibility.

Seems reasonably classy for Gage, but I'd be very upset as any of the QBs at WSU.
Plus how do you recruit from here on out if your Leach ... Is it come in and compete speech, but if I am other coaches I am saying look he's going to bring someone else in regardless. So you might want to sign with us.
[/quote'
That was brought up when BIG play VA went to Oregon...they recovered
But it did take them a couple years...WSU is no Oregon so they will bounce back quicker...no so sure that will be the case for WSU if they continue to go down that route.
 
EAGLEFUZZ said:
EWU98 said:
tomq04 said:
Sounds like it is officially wsu, just waiting on the NCAA to approve an extra year of eligibility.

Seems reasonably classy for Gage, but I'd be very upset as any of the QBs at WSU.
Plus how do you recruit from here on out if your Leach ... Is it come in and compete speech, but if I am other coaches I am saying look he's going to bring someone else in regardless. So you might want to sign with us.
[/quote'
That was brought up when BIG play VA went to Oregon...they recovered
Ya when they got rid of that shitty HC, Mark Helfrich. After two years and Chip Kelly's players were gone and the wheels fell off.
 
WSU got pushed back with the death of Hillinski. He would have been the QB last year and this upcoming year. The two JUCO kids that Leach recruited were stop gaps because of the death in my opinion. He didn't want to use either of them, but they were there to be the back up for the grad transfer. Neither of those transfer kids separated themselves from the pack, therefore the Gabrud grab. The QB's that he recruited as high school seniors the last couple years are getting their work at practice, but aren't ready to step into the job yet. WSU will be just fine recruiting QB's after this... it just shows how tough recruiting is and how much stock is put into these student athletes when they come into a program.
 
EagerEagle said:
WSU got pushed back with the death of Hillinski. He would have been the QB last year and this upcoming year. The two JUCO kids that Leach recruited were stop gaps because of the death in my opinion. He didn't want to use either of them, but they were there to be the back up for the grad transfer. Neither of those transfer kids separated themselves from the pack, therefore the Gabrud grab. The QB's that he recruited as high school seniors the last couple years are getting their work at practice, but aren't ready to step into the job yet. WSU will be just fine recruiting QB's after this... it just shows how tough recruiting is and how much stock is put into these student athletes when they come into a program.

You are undoubtedly correct EE. My preference would have been for Leach to take some lumps with one of the two freshmen as the arm talent is there and the defense will keep them in games. Leach's system isn't that complicated. Nothing like throwing someone into the deep end to learn how to swim. :)
 
marceagfan5 said:
Sounds like he was denied waiver...

From what I understand, that was expected. I think the thought was always that he’d have to appeal. Supposedly, the appeals process adds some leniency to the rulings. However, this is only rumor as I know very little about these newer transfer rules and eligibility requirements.
 

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