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It's time to move on
- Thread starter uncfootballrules
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Nobody's contract has expired. The coaches are on contract through the fiscal year - June 30th. Hense the problem, i'm sure they don't have the money to pay 7 months salary and pay a new staff to come in, especially when the UNC community doesn't support the university or the athletic department.
Ursa Major
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Beardown said:
C'mon Beardown, quit making excuses for the guy. Downing is a hell of a guy, but he can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. We need to clean house.
Ursa Major
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jayhawker said:
Unrealistic? You mean unrealistic like keeping a coach because he turned practices around?
As far as Joe Glenn, we had him once before, it isn't unrealistic to expect that he would consider a return.
As far as Gary Barnett, the guy was a high school coach at one point in his career. It isn't unrealistic to expect that he would consider coming here to turn things around, thus making the statement," Hey...I'm back!"
The way I see it, at least one of two things should happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if neither did.
1. Downing should really take time and think about his past couple of years at UNC and come to realization that with the resources he has been provided with, he just can't get the job done and should step down. I think that it would be a different story if we had seen some sort of progress since the start, and I have yet to see that progress. Take a look at the other programs at the school......Baketball: Both the mens and womens teams have already had good wins against quality opponents.......Volleyball: On track to compete for the Big Sky crown this year........Soccer: Big Sky championship game last year.......Baseball: Independent tourney winners in '06, wins against #1 and #2 ranked teams in the last three years. I could contend that ALL of these sports have had less resources than football, yet have had better results, therefore I don't buy into this "give it time" argument that the admin continues to preach to fans and alumni. I'm not saying that Downing isn't a good coach, but things just didn't work out here, and maybe they would for him somewhere else. He just wasn't a good fit for this job.
2. If Hinrichs brings Downing back, then its time for Kay and the board to evaluate the status and security of Jay's A.D. job.......especially when rumor of Glenn possibly stepping in as A.D. is floating out there. It would definitely give the University and the town some much needed publicity and additional funding that is so desperately needed.
1. Downing should really take time and think about his past couple of years at UNC and come to realization that with the resources he has been provided with, he just can't get the job done and should step down. I think that it would be a different story if we had seen some sort of progress since the start, and I have yet to see that progress. Take a look at the other programs at the school......Baketball: Both the mens and womens teams have already had good wins against quality opponents.......Volleyball: On track to compete for the Big Sky crown this year........Soccer: Big Sky championship game last year.......Baseball: Independent tourney winners in '06, wins against #1 and #2 ranked teams in the last three years. I could contend that ALL of these sports have had less resources than football, yet have had better results, therefore I don't buy into this "give it time" argument that the admin continues to preach to fans and alumni. I'm not saying that Downing isn't a good coach, but things just didn't work out here, and maybe they would for him somewhere else. He just wasn't a good fit for this job.
2. If Hinrichs brings Downing back, then its time for Kay and the board to evaluate the status and security of Jay's A.D. job.......especially when rumor of Glenn possibly stepping in as A.D. is floating out there. It would definitely give the University and the town some much needed publicity and additional funding that is so desperately needed.
gobears
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anon22 said:
I agree with you on both points, but I think #2 should happen regardless of what happens with Downing. I am not a big fan of Jay's and just dont think he is a good fit here.
I agree with the 'it is time to stop the excuses' attitude about football. Other sports are having sucess at the higher level, and other schools have not fallen off at the same level we have. Bottom line is that the program is struggling and needs some new life put into it. Downing is so tainted by failure that even if he could right the ship, he is going to have a huge recruiting disadvantage. Who wants to play for a school that gets one win a year? When you have shown zero tangiable improvement over the last 3 years, you cant say "we are building" either.
A new coach, even if he is not a 'big name' could generate renewed energy and interest. With a much improved PR effort that could be used to leverage donations ect...
trying to equate the improvements in basketball to turning a football program around shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation. Everyone bitched when the men's and women's basketball coaches were fired and now I hope those same people would admit that 2 very good coaches were hired and after a short time, VERY good teams have been put together. Football is a different animal, you can't sign 2-3 great players a year and go from last to 1st in 2-3 years. I'm not saying Downing is the answer but they have a much better foundation now then they did 3 years ago. I say if they're not going to make a change, give them a goal of 5 wins or the the highway for 2009.
BearCub said:
To some extent I agree with you, but I if that was the case, how come our basketball teams were never any good? Since I showed up in 1990, our team was average at best at the DII level. I think an AD should get credit for bringing in the right coaches who can recruit and coach. Both baskeball programs have been able to recruit as well as or even better than other Big Sky programs, even though we have inferior facilities and support. The football program has not been able to overcome that.
you answered your own question. We now have good coaches that can recruit and coach (basketball). Do we have that in football, I'll argue that it's a little too early to tell. Back to my point that it takes a Looong time to turn a football team around. I firmly believe that Kay Dalton would not have been anymore successful in the Big Sky - may have been worse. We are bringing in much bigger/athletic kids across the board than his staff was recruiting.
I think we'll be decent-to-average next year no matter who is the coach. I'd like to see a new OC to fully take advantage of Waggoner's skills next year.
I think we'll be decent-to-average next year no matter who is the coach. I'd like to see a new OC to fully take advantage of Waggoner's skills next year.
Ursa Major
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BearCub said:
Excuse me while I vomit. It's too early too tell if we had good football recruiting? Trust me, we didn't. Also, explain to me how Dalton would have been worse that 3 wins in three years? Maybe he wouldn't have won the whole thing, but he would have been alot better than 3-forever.
Kay Dalton as head coach:
2000 Northern Colorado 4-7 (.364)
2001 Northern Colorado 7-4 (.636)
2002 Northern Colorado 12-2 (.857)
2003 Northern Colorado 9-2 (.818)
2004 Northern Colorado 2-9 (.182)
2005 Northern Colorado 4-7 (.364)
If you combine Coach Daltons worst three seasons he has 10 wins (that's triple the number Downing has). I also have to think that 9 win season in 2003 had quite a few of his recruits on it.
2000 Northern Colorado 4-7 (.364)
2001 Northern Colorado 7-4 (.636)
2002 Northern Colorado 12-2 (.857)
2003 Northern Colorado 9-2 (.818)
2004 Northern Colorado 2-9 (.182)
2005 Northern Colorado 4-7 (.364)
If you combine Coach Daltons worst three seasons he has 10 wins (that's triple the number Downing has). I also have to think that 9 win season in 2003 had quite a few of his recruits on it.
