mattman_121
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Calling this Katz fourth best team is so far from being accurate it's not even worth posting a response.
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Keep Coach Katz
- Thread starter grizz32
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SDHornet said:
And an awesome defense. I don't know how sharp Orr is, but here are a few potential strategies.
1. Get a young up-and-comer. Tough. Sac State high risk, limited support. Coaches like that may wait on a St. Mary's College, Pepperdine or UCSB type of opening.
2. Hire an alum. That's what he has, a solid coach & community member.
3. Find an awesome coach who never got a shot, who won at lower levels, and take a risk.
Al Sokatis beat 3 Division I teams in a DI tourney - at DII University of Alaska Fairbanks. He put on clinics for 20+ years at the NCAA Final Four, and has coached internationally. Can you imagine trying to recruit city kids to Alaska? Was a PAC-10 assistant coach & has multiple COTY awards, won several state high school championships in different states - turning around several doormat programs. Was a DII HC at a couple of colleges. He may be "retired" now, but he's a lifer, high energy, has Sacramento ties and could recruit back East. A coach like this would likely take a 3-year offer.
Here is a fun clip you should watch. He also has instructional youth videos on youtube.
https://youtu.be/Qo-fTfRt9HU
4. Find a highly successful junior college coach to roll the dice with, but they'll probably want a 5-year deal.
5. Find the BBall equivalent of Troy Taylor.
I think Coach Katz is the best option. (I don't know him, & have no ties.) Focus on the women's BBall problem.
Hornet Mike
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From the Joe Davidson post on Facebook about this. A response below from a former players dad. I know a lot of you don't care, but a lot of us do care. Thank you Coach Katz!!! You've represented the University unbelievably well and have done things the right way.
Dylan Garrity Words from my dad (who doesn’t have Facebook)
Coach Katz is a man of his word, a rare quality these days. When coaches and programs across the nation are about wins and losses, about facilities and fundraising, he always focused on individuals and education; basketball only seemed like the vehicle he used to teach young men about team, family, and life. The Garrity family is forever grateful. Coach Katz gave Dylan a chance when nobody else dared, he dreamed and believed they could change a program, and they did. We are Hornets for life, but more importantly, we are Brian Katz fans for life.”
Dylan Garrity Words from my dad (who doesn’t have Facebook)
Coach Katz is a man of his word, a rare quality these days. When coaches and programs across the nation are about wins and losses, about facilities and fundraising, he always focused on individuals and education; basketball only seemed like the vehicle he used to teach young men about team, family, and life. The Garrity family is forever grateful. Coach Katz gave Dylan a chance when nobody else dared, he dreamed and believed they could change a program, and they did. We are Hornets for life, but more importantly, we are Brian Katz fans for life.”
Marcus Graves Mother also had a very heartfelt message on Davidson post. She talked about the trust the family had in Coach Katz. Her husband was a NFL assistant coach for many years and had nothing but praise for Coach Katz. Those who have played for Katz or have been family members on Davidson post have shown lots of love. As a Educational University it looks like more life lessons have been going on in the Nest over the last 12 years than elsewhere on campus.
The one's that are going to lose out on this is the Students and that is so sad.
If winning was the only thing that mattered then Sac St should just hire someone who will cheat and pay the players and they would win forget all the things that really matter such as Graduation and turning out good people who will be a value to our society.
The one's that are going to lose out on this is the Students and that is so sad.
If winning was the only thing that mattered then Sac St should just hire someone who will cheat and pay the players and they would win forget all the things that really matter such as Graduation and turning out good people who will be a value to our society.
"and that is so sad"..............
What is sad is they cant sell out 1200 seats consistently.
DI Athletics has become a very serious business, unfortunately, it is not Dead Poets Society.
Katz hasnt moved the needle in a decade: no BSC Championship, no annual sellouts, no community buy-in, same gym, same bleachers, etc.
Taylor came in and almost doubled the home game attendance his first year, just because of who he is and has done professionally.
Look at EWU, PSU, UNC, Idaho, all looking to reduce costs. Sac State has to be self sufficient.
What is sad is they cant sell out 1200 seats consistently.
DI Athletics has become a very serious business, unfortunately, it is not Dead Poets Society.
Katz hasnt moved the needle in a decade: no BSC Championship, no annual sellouts, no community buy-in, same gym, same bleachers, etc.
Taylor came in and almost doubled the home game attendance his first year, just because of who he is and has done professionally.
Look at EWU, PSU, UNC, Idaho, all looking to reduce costs. Sac State has to be self sufficient.
grizz32 said:
No doubt Katz made a great impact on the student athletes under his tutelage, but seriously more than any other on campus? Of all the programs and departments on a campus of 30k+ students, you’re claiming the most impactful to any of the students came via the men’s basketball program? Do you even think before you post such terrible narratives?
g32, the narratives you’ve been pushing regarding this Katz konundrum are quite ridiculous. The mens basketball program, and the head coach of that program are not bigger than the University.
hno:" says elsewhere" NOT any other. elsewhere does not imply any other.
And NO not even close to bigger than the University the University could move on with no athletics without most people noticing. But if they are going to have athletics as a part of a Educational Realm then the education is the most important aspect. Looks like former players are getting a great education under Katz from the comments they are making.
And NO not even close to bigger than the University the University could move on with no athletics without most people noticing. But if they are going to have athletics as a part of a Educational Realm then the education is the most important aspect. Looks like former players are getting a great education under Katz from the comments they are making.
EarleHornet
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Green Cookie Monster said:
"self sufficient"? I think I remember someone saying that the single largest donation ever of $9 million to the University was brought in because of Katz. That money was not used toward building an events center but toward construction of the new Science building.
That was in the booster club guy’s email, and it’s partially true. The AD held “Coaches Caravan” outreach events at some local Raley’s 5 years ago. Here’s the Bee story on that. Eventually a $750k donation to the Power of 1000 was made by Tschannen. I assume the University mined the $9M donation towards the science building from Tschannen, not sure why they would need Katz for that.
The bigger issue in all of this is the events center. All these folks bitching about Nelsen and Orr’s decision regarding Katz should really be bitching about lack of movement on the events center. That was a main point made by both of them during the presser of Orr’s hiring. Regardless of who is the head coach, I really don’t see how Hornet basketball gets much better until an events center is built.
The bigger issue in all of this is the events center. All these folks bitching about Nelsen and Orr’s decision regarding Katz should really be bitching about lack of movement on the events center. That was a main point made by both of them during the presser of Orr’s hiring. Regardless of who is the head coach, I really don’t see how Hornet basketball gets much better until an events center is built.
EarleHornet
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SDHornet said:
Bottom line is the money did come in. Spin it however you want, Katz helped, Katz didn't help... as far as the dream of attracting a "high profile" coach for the future, I can't think of any "high profile" coach that would want the job with the current high school gym. The mention that UOP coach, Damon Stoudamire, would want to leave the WCC for Sac State is laughable. More money? I doubt Sac can pay more than UOP. Better facilities than UOP? We all know the answer to that...if Katz isn't extended, we will go back to the dark ages.
No spin needed, the Bee article summed up the Tschannen events quite well.EarleHornet said:
Agree with you about questioning how a “high profile” coach can be hired with the current state of our facilities.
Disagree about automatically going back to the dark ages if Katz isn’t retained. Too many unknowns to make such a claim.
EarleHornet
Active member
SDHornet said:
Sorry SD, I forgot the obligatory “in my opinion”, about the “going back to the dark ages” comment. I kind of thought this site was all about opinions. I’ll mark it accordingly in the future.
Realistically, IMO, this job, as it currently sits, is a stepping stone to somewhere else for most coaches. Win some, move on to a better job with better facilities. That’s why I liked Katz so much. He didn’t seem to want to go anywhere else, I understand about the San Jose job, but who wouldn’t listen if they were offering more?
I took your “dark ages” comment as an opinion. Hornet athletics is leaps and bounds above where it was when Katz was hired 12 years ago in both leadership competence, administrative support, and funding levels that even if Katz isn’t retained that a capable coach can be hired. The missing part is facilities. If anyone can find a clever way to hire a “high profile” coach, it’s the admin we currently have in place with Nelsen and Orr (just look at what it took to get Taylor hired for FB).EarleHornet said:
I just feel the facilities issue is too big of a hurdle to overcome, but maybe there is a creative way with working more games downtown into the mix to draw interest in this job. We’ll see what happens, maybe Katz runs the table in Boise next week and this whole conversation is moot.
HornetHope
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movielover said:
Track and field, cross country. Again from a well known NAU that has performed on a national level. Look at some of his staffs recruits.
If we wanted a clown show we would have stuck with the former AD that could find the worlds largest barn if it was 2 ft in front of his face. Orr was hired to course change the future of athletics, and he will.
Yup. All those coaches have brought some hardware to the trophy case with the exception to the tennis coach, and she has gotten the team into the BSC Tournament while on probation. Christiansen was a Wanless hire, but he was being courted by some Pac12 and Big West programs and Orr got the extension done to keep him here.HornetHope said:
Those examples are why I'm not overly concerned about how Orr handles this Katz konundrum. He knows what he's doing.
Big game at PSU tonight as a win secures a winning season for this program and gives this team a little momentum heading into Boise. I'll be cheering hard for this team to pull it off. PSU already has the 4 seed locked up while we'll be anywhere from 7-9 seed.
Tough game last night, looks like the Hornets battled. Numerous wonderful stories posted on Facebook supporting Coach Katz.
There are few college jobs as political as the basketball HC.
1. Colleges highly political.
2. Current 'woke' culture.
3. Challenging to hire black professors, so colleges can get big PR hiring a black HC.
4. Sac has few black coaches.
5. Orr is African American.
6. His brother is a 'social justice warrior'.
7. Cal recently hired inexperienced first time HC Wyking Jones, who went 16-47 in 2 years before being fired. Todd Bozeman was also inexperienced.
There are few college jobs as political as the basketball HC.
1. Colleges highly political.
2. Current 'woke' culture.
3. Challenging to hire black professors, so colleges can get big PR hiring a black HC.
4. Sac has few black coaches.
5. Orr is African American.
6. His brother is a 'social justice warrior'.
7. Cal recently hired inexperienced first time HC Wyking Jones, who went 16-47 in 2 years before being fired. Todd Bozeman was also inexperienced.
