Looking Into the Future... Only Look if You're Optimistic

[SWeberCat02]

Big Sky RPI (ESPN/March 10)

167. Weber St
176. Montana
220. N Colorado
227. N Dakota
238. N Arizona
260. Portland St
262. Sac St

Auto Bids RPI (ESPN/March 10)

5. Wichita St (Missouri Valley)
66. Iona or 71. Manhattan (Metro Atlantic)
78. Delaware or 116. William & Mary (Colonial)
82. Mercer (Atlantic Sun)
104. E Kentucky (Ohio Valley)
141. Milwaukee or 166. Wright St (Horizon)
164. Wofford or 199. W Carolina (Southern)
171. Stony Brook or 214. Albany (America East)
204. Coastal Carolina (Big South)

 

[n.ogdencat]

Big Sky RPI (ESPN/March 10)

167. Weber St
176. Montana
220. N Colorado
227. N Dakota
238. N Arizona
260. Portland St
262. Sac St

Auto Bids RPI (ESPN/March 10)

5. Wichita St (Missouri Valley)
66. Iona or 71. Manhattan (Metro Atlantic)
78. Delaware or 116. William & Mary (Colonial)
82. Mercer (Atlantic Sun)
104. E Kentucky (Ohio Valley)
141. Milwaukee or 166. Wright St (Horizon)
164. Wofford or 199. W Carolina (Southern)
171. Stony Brook or 214. Albany (America East)
204. Coastal Carolina (Big South)

Well...overall it is better than last year, but definitely not at the top. Both Weber and UM were top 100 last year.

 

[WSUfan1]

Joe has updated his bracket. We are still a 16 seed playing Arizona..
UVU has moved out of the play in game (16/16) and are a 15 seed playing Kansas.
BYU has dropped from an 11 seed to a 12 seed.

I really dont think UVU will get a 15 seed. Being their first appearance, I think a 16 seed sounds right. however, I rather be a 16 seed playing Arizona than a 15 seed playing Kansas....

 

[WSUfan1]

If WSU makes it in the dance and first game is in California, count me in!

 

[SWeberCat02]

Big Sky RPI (ESPN/March 11)

165. Weber St
177. Montana
220. N Colorado
227. N Dakota
238. N Arizona
260. Portland St
262. Sac St

Auto Bids RPI (ESPN/March 11)

5. Wichita St (Missouri Valley)
26. Gonzaga or 30. Brigham Young (West Coast)
42. N Dakota St or 124. IPFW (Summit)
51. Harvard (Ivy)
66. Manhattan (Metro Atlantic)
75. Delaware (Colonial)
81. Mercer (Atlantic Sun)
83. Boston or 141. American (Patriot)
104. E Kentucky (Ohio Valley)
122. Robert Morris or 218. Mount St Mary's (Northeast)
140. Milwaukee or 166. Wright St (Horizon)
161. Wofford (Southern)
170. Stony Brook or 214. Albany (America East)
208. Coastal Carolina (Big South)

 

[AlumniWSU]

Interesting to surf the websites for NCAA RPI's & they do vary on the numbers (from a diff of 4-9 pts.). For ex. Weber St.: 165 (Lunardi-ESPN) 169 (CBS & YAHOO Sports) 171 (NCAA Team Rankings). Leads me to a few questions: what source does the selection committee use; does the committee use it for exact or just guidance on seedings; why the difference in the first place, isn't it computer software programmed with the same basis??? Just curious, interesting that Montana's variance between sources is just 1, same with UVU. Another question, does anyone know if BSC Commish Fullerton is still on the selection committee? And does that help (is there some judgmental calls on bracketing)?? Sorry for the "is this the 20 questions thing"

 

[WeberSki]

Fullerton is in his 5th & final year & is either chair of the committee or chair of the top seeding within the committee he said on 1280 the zone, a couple of weeks ago he has to leave the room after the top tier seeding is in place.

 

[Webergrad02]

Each site has a pretty good idea of the formula. It may just be them time of the last snapshot from that site.
I believe that the RPI is just one of the tools that use for seeding's. They also look at other factors, but it is one of the major tools. The talk right now is how the committee will seed Kansas after it was announced that Joel Embiid would be out for 3 more weeks. For instance if a higher seed was on the line and it came between us and UVU they would also factor in the fact that we lost head to head.
If a conference commissioner or AD is on the committee, they have to leave the room while seeding for their school(s) is discussed. In general they try to keep it on the up and up.

I listened to Chris Hill talk about his time on the selection committee. It really was fascinating.

 

[SWeberCat02]

RPI stands for Rating Percentage Index and is determined using a formula based on wins, losses, and strength of schedule. The NCAA's official RPI is only released weekly while other's are released daily or in real time. It's my understanding that RPI is used heavily in seeding, especially for one bid conference teams.

The Selection Committee is made up of conference commissioners and school ADs and serve for five years. Fullerton is currently on the committee. Committee members must excuse themselves when a team from their school or conference is discussed.

 

[WSUProf]

The seeding committee takes lots of things into account. Good wins, bad losses, record against ranked opponents, even how well a team has performed over the last few weeks.

 

[wmfred]

UVU still has to beat NMSU in their tournament to get in, right? I doubt that will
happen in Lost Wages. Last year, Weber's RPI was more than 100pts higher than
this year. I think it hit 59 during the end of the CIT tourney. Very efficient team
and it would be great to have a true power forward (does Rahe disdain the baseline)
like Otis - he and Scottie carried the team. They were capable of an upset last year(as
a 12 or 13 seed if they had won the tourney) whereas we are not this year.
Which Weber team shows up Friday? If Berry plays team, 8-9 assists, Weber will win.
Interesting thing about the tourney - before UM starts play, they will know who they
would play Friday night. Hmmmmmm

 

[SWeberCat02]

The Big Sky champ just got some seeding help from Mount St Mary's, who upset Robert Morris. Mt St Mary's is 16-16 with an RPI of 218.

 

[hdqweber]

The Big Sky champ just got some seeding help from Mount St Mary's, who upset Robert Morris. Mt St Mary's is 16-16 with an RPI of 218.

Wow.....Milwaukee just beat Wright State in the Horizon in Dayton. Big Sky could get a 15 if we get some help from Summit, Big West, WAC.

 

[n.ogdencat]

I'm really glad that the Big Sky hasn't bucked tradition to follow the current trend and has kept the conference tournament at the regular season champs home court. The best team in a conference should represent the conference at the Dance and if you have to have a season ending tournament, then the best team should have the best chance to win it all. If they can't, then they only have themselves to blame. I hate hearing about little conferences having their tournaments at predestined location. I feel the neutral location leads to the most upsets. Glad the NCAA has the NIT as a consolation for those schools that were upset and won't get to go dancing. That takes me too a whole other rant about "major" teams getting 10-12 home OOC wins in the preseason and only going out on the road once, maybe twice before the conference season; like Utah. And then acting like they should have a place at the Damce because they have 20 wins. The NCAA needs to mandate so many road and neutral games in the OOC each season to enhance parity and make RPI more relevant.

 

[SWeberCat02]

I'm really glad that the Big Sky hasn't bucked tradition to follow the current trend and has kept the conference tournament at the regular season champs home court. The best team in a conference should represent the conference at the Dance and if you have to have a season ending tournament, then the best team should have the best chance to win it all. If they can't, then they only have themselves to blame. I hate hearing about little conferences having their tournaments at predestined location. I feel the neutral location leads to the most upsets. Glad the NCAA has the NIT as a consolation for those schools that were upset and won't get to go dancing. That takes me too a whole other rant about "major" teams getting 10-12 home OOC wins in the preseason and only going out on the road once, maybe twice before the conference season; like Utah. And then acting like they should have a place at the Damce because they have 20 wins. The NCAA needs to mandate so many road and neutral games in the OOC each season to enhance parity and make RPI more relevant.

Robert Morris lost at home because the NEC plays all tournament games on the higher seeded team's floor. How embarrassing to send a team with a .500 record that finished 4th in the conference. That's why I'm not a fan of conference tournaments. Just send your best team, the team that won the regular season.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

How embarrassing to send a team with a .500 record that finished 4th in the conference. That's why I'm not a fan of conference tournaments. Just send your best team, the team that won the regular season.

Man, I'm a huge fan of the conference tournaments, especially when they're at the DEC :nod: . What I'm not a fan of is neutral sites and flooding March Madness with so many teams from the same conferences. It's a college sport, play the games at college venues-- I know, I know, it's less and less about the sport and more and more about the money.

Six, seven, eight teams from a single conference? Come on! Over the years, the "haves" get more and more advantage and flooding the tournament with so many teams from so few conferences is just another advantage. When's the last time or how often is the 5th, 6th, or 7th best teams from the "power" conferences making any noise anyway? Keep the playing field more level for all conference teams. The Cinderellas (which sometimes are just overlooked "mid-majors") are who put the madness (and excitement) in March Madness.

Tal's absolutely right; make RPI/SOC/SOS a level playing field and require these "majors" to play OOC roadies like the "have nots" have to. Yet another disadvantage for the "mid-majors" with the way things are currently is they lose money because they can't ever get teams to come to their place to draw better attendance. Thanks for getting me fired up, again!
:rant:

 

[SWeberCat02]

Big Sky RPI (ESPN/March 12)

168. Weber St
177. Montana
221. N Colorado
227. N Dakota
240. N Arizona
254. Portland St
262. Sac St

Auto Bids RPI (ESPN/March 12)

5. Wichita St (Missouri Valley)
19. Gonzaga (West Coast)
36. N Dakota St (Summit)
51. Harvard (Ivy)
64. Manhattan (Metro Atlantic)
73. Delaware (Colonial)
83. Mercer (Atlantic Sun)
84. Boston or 141. American (Patriot)
103. E Kentucky (Ohio Valley)
125. Milwaukee (Horizon)
157. Wofford (Southern)
162. Stony Brook or 201. Albany (America East)
194. Mount St Mary's (Northeast)
195. Coastal Carolina (Big South)

 

[AlumniWSU]

I appreciate 'SWeberCat02' keeping us updated on the Auto Bid RPIs...oh the numbers !!! Now counting on my fingers, will there be 6 [16-seed teams] bracketed (4 in the First Round action; 2 placed in the vs. #1 Second Round action plus the 2 winners from the First Round action)??? Get my drift? Yah, I know the RPI numbers can still change daily & don't necessarily = exact seeding. Not necessarily looking past the EXCITING BSC ACTION COMING UP!! just wondering if someone could enlighten me. "oh the numbers" !!!

 

[SWeberCat02]

Now counting on my fingers, will there be 6 [16-seed teams] bracketed (4 in the First Round action; 2 placed in the vs. #1 Second Round action plus the 2 winners from the First Round action???

Yes

 

[SWeberCat02]

Big Sky RPI (ESPN/March 13)

168. Weber St
175. Montana
222. N Colorado
227. N Dakota
240. N Arizona
254. Portland St
263. Sac St

Auto Bids RPI (ESPN/March 13)

5. Wichita St (Missouri Valley)
19. Gonzaga (West Coast)
37. N Dakota St (Summit)
51. Harvard (Ivy)
62. Manhattan (Metro Atlantic)
74. Delaware (Colonial)
81. Mercer (Atlantic Sun)
103. E Kentucky (Ohio Valley)
124. American (Patriot)
125. Milwaukee (Horizon)
156. Wofford (Southern)
160. Stony Brook or 200. Albany (America East)
191. Mount St Mary's (Northeast)
193. Coastal Carolina (Big South)