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The Big Suck

SWeberCat02 said:
Standings (D1 games only)

E Wash 4-2
MSU 3-3
Idaho 2-3
UND 1-2
PSU 1-3
WSU 1-4
UNC 1-5
NAU 1-6
ISU 1-6
UM 1-6
SUU 0-5
Sac 0-6
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So.. 3/4ths of the "league" have one or less D! wins? :thefan: :thefan:
 
If you have the time, break that down into home/away/neutral records. Not trying to pull an RR excuse but some of the problem with the Big Suck and the system in general is that majors and the other "haves" aren't forced to travel much.
 
14 Home Games: 9-5 (.643)
33 Road Games: 2-31 (.061)
19 Neutral Court Games: 4-15 (.211)
66 Total Games: 15-51 (.227)

(Road wins were Idaho over Little Rock and PSU over Pepperdine)
 
SWeberCat02 said:
14 Home Games: 9-5 (.643)
33 Road Games: 2-31 (.061)
19 Neutral Court Games: 4-15 (.211)
66 Total Games: 15-51 (.227)

(Road wins were Idaho over Little Rock and PSU over Pepperdine)
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Thanks, kinda guessed the numbers to be about what they are. It would sure make a difference to the Weber State's and Big Sky's of the basketball world if the playing field was more level.
 
SWWeatherCat said:
SWeberCat02 said:
14 Home Games: 9-5 (.643)
33 Road Games: 2-31 (.061)
19 Neutral Court Games: 4-15 (.211)
66 Total Games: 15-51 (.227)

(Road wins were Idaho over Little Rock and PSU over Pepperdine)
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Thanks, kinda guessed the numbers to be about what they are. It would sure make a difference to the Weber State's and Big Sky's of the basketball world if the playing field was more level.
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You're absolutely right, the system isn't fair at all. With that said, a 9-5 home record isn't great, and 4 of those wins come from 1 team, EWash. But I think the horrible neutral court record really tells the story of how bad the conference is. And what's funny is I heard Rahe on the radio just before the season started saying that the conference was going to be better this season, that most teams had a lot coming back. I don't think the conference has ever been worse. We're probably looking at a play-in game. But at least that way we get a real chance at finally getting a win in the dance. :lol:
 
SWeberCat02 said:
SWWeatherCat said:
SWeberCat02 said:
14 Home Games: 9-5 (.643)
33 Road Games: 2-31 (.061)
19 Neutral Court Games: 4-15 (.211)
66 Total Games: 15-51 (.227)

(Road wins were Idaho over Little Rock and PSU over Pepperdine)
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Thanks, kinda guessed the numbers to be about what they are. It would sure make a difference to the Weber State's and Big Sky's of the basketball world if the playing field was more level.
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You're absolutely right, the system isn't fair at all. With that said, a 9-5 home record isn't great, and 4 of those wins come from 1 team, EWash. But I think the horrible neutral court record really tells the story of how bad the conference is. And what's funny is I heard Rahe on the radio just before the season started saying that the conference was going to be better this season, that most teams had a lot coming back. I don't think the conference has ever been worse. We're probably looking at a play-in game. But at least that way we get a real chance at finally getting a win in the dance. :lol:
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Good point! I remember several years ago there was something in the tourney that was considered a play-in...and Weber State got a win vs. U. of Seattle!! A win is a W in the tourney! :thumb:
 
Denver 57 @ Weber St (-9.5) 55
San Diego 80 @ N Arizona (-3) 65
S Utah 68 @ Oakland (-19) 78
Idaho St 76 @ CS Northridge (-8) 79
Texas-Rio Grande Vallley 74 @ Portland St (No Line) 87
Milwaukee 69 @ Montana (-8) 75
UC Davis 66 @ Idaho (-6.5) 68

19-55, 25-36-3 ATS

E Wash 93 @ Seattle 88 (No Line)

20-55, 25-36-3 ATS
 
Standings (D1 games only) through 12/4

E Wash 5-2
MSU 3-3
Idaho 3-3
PSU 2-3
UND 1-2
UM 2-6
WSU 1-5
UNC 1-5
NAU 1-7
ISU 1-7
SUU 0-6
Sac 0-6
 
Through 12/4

19 Home Games: 12-7 (.632)
36 Road Games: 3-33 (.061)
20 Neutral Court Games: 5-15 (.250)
75 Total Games: 20-55 (.267)

(Road wins were Idaho over Little Rock, PSU over Pepperdine, and EWU over Seattle)
 
ATS records through 12/4

Montana St 4-1
E Wash 3-1
Idaho St 3-3
N Colorado 2-2
S Utah 2-2-2
Idaho 2-3
N Arizona 3-5
Weber St 2-4
N Dakota 1-2
Portland St 1-2-1
Montana 2-5
Sac St 0-6
 
Wow, Bakersfield of the WAC curb stomping NAU by 34 on the Jack's home court, and holding them to 47 points. Embarrassing for the whole conference. :oops:

I watched highlights of Grand Canyon vs Louisville on Grand Canyon's home court. I know GCU is unique because they're for profit, but their gym is super nice. And the place was packed and the fans were raucous, including the students. Former NAU guard DeWayne Russell scored 42. Grand Canyon also has San Diego St at home. Sadly, I don't think we'll ever see a game like this, or an atmosphere like this, in the Big Sky again. The WAC is on the rise and the Big Sky is just bad.
 
The same message I've been preaching here for a while. GCU is the example Weber should be following. But, as we know, there just isn't enough desire by Weber to climb out of the puddle.
 
baller said:
The same message I've been preaching here for a while. GCU is the example Weber should be following. But, as we know, there just isn't enough desire by Weber to climb out of the puddle.
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How can Weber do what GCU is doing? Do you have any idea how much they paid SDSU and Louisville? Millions... Do you know how big our overall budget is? Louisville's entire Men's basketball budget is our entire athletic budget. That should give you a pretty good idea how much money Grand Canyon paid to get Louisville to visit (this should really piss you off... 75% of Grand Canyon's money comes from Federal Fin Aid Loans and Grants and that is used to build their athletic programs).
 
talhadfoursteals said:
baller said:
The same message I've been preaching here for a while. GCU is the example Weber should be following. But, as we know, there just isn't enough desire by Weber to climb out of the puddle.
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How can Weber do what GCU is doing? Do you have any idea how much they paid SDSU and Louisville? Millions... Do you know how big our overall budget is? Louisville's entire Men's basketball budget is our entire athletic budget. That should give you a pretty good idea how much money Grand Canyon paid to get Louisville to visit (this should really piss you off... 75% of Grand Canyon's money comes from Federal Fin Aid Loans and Grants and that is used to build their athletic programs).
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Millions, really tal. That's a slight exaggeration. It has much more to do with Jerry Colangelo and his connections. Louisville is a two for one deal AND GCU gets $100,000.

U of L's agreement with Grand Canyon included last year's game at the KFC Yum! Center, a 111-63 Cards win, plus a 2017 matchup back in Louisville. GCU will receive $100,000 in guaranteed cash for playing that 2017 game, the only money involved in the two schools' agreement.
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http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2016/12/02/why-louisville-basketball-is-playing-at-grand-canyon/94808566/
 
SWeberCat02 said:
talhadfoursteals said:
baller said:
The same message I've been preaching here for a while. GCU is the example Weber should be following. But, as we know, there just isn't enough desire by Weber to climb out of the puddle.
Click to expand...

How can Weber do what GCU is doing? Do you have any idea how much they paid SDSU and Louisville? Millions... Do you know how big our overall budget is? Louisville's entire Men's basketball budget is our entire athletic budget. That should give you a pretty good idea how much money Grand Canyon paid to get Louisville to visit (this should really piss you off... 75% of Grand Canyon's money comes from Federal Fin Aid Loans and Grants and that is used to build their athletic programs).
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Millions, really tal. That's a slight exaggeration. It has much more to do with Jerry Colangelo and his connections. Louisville is a two for one deal AND GCU gets $100,000.

U of L's agreement with Grand Canyon included last year's game at the KFC Yum! Center, a 111-63 Cards win, plus a 2017 matchup back in Louisville. GCU will receive $100,000 in guaranteed cash for playing that 2017 game, the only money involved in the two schools' agreement.
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http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2016/12/02/why-louisville-basketball-is-playing-at-grand-canyon/94808566/
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Yes, millions is a "mild" :lol: exaggeration.

But, GCU does have far more resources at their disposal than what Weber has. Also, they are willing to do 2 for 1s. Most importantly...and you know this, GCU has a chip on their shoulder (like UVU) and doesn't like where they are. Will they get an invite anywhere else? NO... So, why wallow in a crap conference? Improve your situation, and in extension, you make your conference look better. The WAC has eclipsed the Sky, at least this season, and its going to take some serious changes to get the Sky back ahead of the WAC. WEBER...well...we are just happy where we are. STATUS QUO...JUST ENOUGH!
 
75% is an exaggeration too....being as GCU is a private school, you would have to be on the board of directors to know the source of the majority of their income...but consider the source...
 
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