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The PAC/MWC Dominoes Begin to Fall
- Thread starter Kadeezy
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Kadeezy
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The jump: Sac State releases report on viability of move to FBS
Sacramento State Athletics is looking to make the move from the FCS to the FBS and join the Mountain West Conference.
statehornet.com
Well, it’s been a long time, but with realignment I’m like a fly to a flame…
I think we find out rather soon whether our future is FBS or FCS. That being said, I also think it won’t be long till we learn what the FBS and FCS will become going forward. Merger, reclassification, etc…
There are so many moving pieces it’s hard to keep track of thoughts and opinions. If we can partner with a third party to help pay for the stadium, yay for us. If not, I wonder if the MWC exit fee windfall would help pay for a renovation/rebuild? If the MWC is desperate enough (I think they just might be) I hope a hefty loan can help upgrade Hornet and go towards a real arena or help with Golden 1 rent. EDIT: Someone from the school get on the horn with the Sharks and start talking about a partnership for a 5-8k arena for a Sharks ECHL or AHL team! (Move the ‘Cuda to the ECHL?)
Talking with some of the only remaining SJSU contacts I still have, it sounds like they want and/or are pushing for our inclusion. I know SJSU is piiiiiiiised Fresno and San Diego got the Pac invites. My dad and his friend used to tell me all the time SJSU was a serious potential target to become part of the Pac 10 (pre Arizonas). Even had a 60k stadium renovation ready to go. I thought they were full of it, but recently found out they were right! Anyway, made that comment to say the blue chip Spartan faithful are seething at the fact they got skipped over again (I believe Cal was what blocked them last time?) and for FRESNO and San Diego. But, the school really is to blame. We/they pissed around in the PCAA/Big West too long and weren’t ambitious enough to grow the program. And then they gutted Spartan Stadium and made it the joke that it is today, a really good FCS stadium, but piss poor FBS (I can’t explain how fvcking pissed I still am about that).
MWC loosing its “jewel” programs will mean it’ll have to look at alternative plans to remain viable or profitable. Our market comes into play here. We aren’t very relevant in it, but we can sell the potential of it. It would have to be followed by a promise of significant marketing and infrastructure investment. Its west coast location and two(ish) hour travel distance to two of the members is also something that will have to be considered. It will also depend on whether MWC is able to make the realization it isn’t a power G5 anymore. It’s not the western American. They have to realize they are the MAC or Sun Belt of the west, and be okay with that. Try to emulate the Fun Belt rather than chase a meth dream of chasing the power five.
Okay, my thoughts are starting to venture a bit so I’ll say this. Go MWC (can we pleeeeease stop the Pac fever dream) or stay BSC, the investment has to be made regardless. This program will fall far, far behind if we don’t. Become irrelevant. Just look at fellow “power” FCS programs, and you’ll see facilities and perks that are rivaling G5 and even some lower P5 programs. There’s still a ton of stuff to be resolved and news to drop, but Sac cannot be complacent. Either dive in all the way and make the investment to be a real FBS school, or dive all the fvck way in and be a real FCS school!
Okay. Current rant over
I think we find out rather soon whether our future is FBS or FCS. That being said, I also think it won’t be long till we learn what the FBS and FCS will become going forward. Merger, reclassification, etc…
There are so many moving pieces it’s hard to keep track of thoughts and opinions. If we can partner with a third party to help pay for the stadium, yay for us. If not, I wonder if the MWC exit fee windfall would help pay for a renovation/rebuild? If the MWC is desperate enough (I think they just might be) I hope a hefty loan can help upgrade Hornet and go towards a real arena or help with Golden 1 rent. EDIT: Someone from the school get on the horn with the Sharks and start talking about a partnership for a 5-8k arena for a Sharks ECHL or AHL team! (Move the ‘Cuda to the ECHL?)
Talking with some of the only remaining SJSU contacts I still have, it sounds like they want and/or are pushing for our inclusion. I know SJSU is piiiiiiiised Fresno and San Diego got the Pac invites. My dad and his friend used to tell me all the time SJSU was a serious potential target to become part of the Pac 10 (pre Arizonas). Even had a 60k stadium renovation ready to go. I thought they were full of it, but recently found out they were right! Anyway, made that comment to say the blue chip Spartan faithful are seething at the fact they got skipped over again (I believe Cal was what blocked them last time?) and for FRESNO and San Diego. But, the school really is to blame. We/they pissed around in the PCAA/Big West too long and weren’t ambitious enough to grow the program. And then they gutted Spartan Stadium and made it the joke that it is today, a really good FCS stadium, but piss poor FBS (I can’t explain how fvcking pissed I still am about that).
MWC loosing its “jewel” programs will mean it’ll have to look at alternative plans to remain viable or profitable. Our market comes into play here. We aren’t very relevant in it, but we can sell the potential of it. It would have to be followed by a promise of significant marketing and infrastructure investment. Its west coast location and two(ish) hour travel distance to two of the members is also something that will have to be considered. It will also depend on whether MWC is able to make the realization it isn’t a power G5 anymore. It’s not the western American. They have to realize they are the MAC or Sun Belt of the west, and be okay with that. Try to emulate the Fun Belt rather than chase a meth dream of chasing the power five.
Okay, my thoughts are starting to venture a bit so I’ll say this. Go MWC (can we pleeeeease stop the Pac fever dream) or stay BSC, the investment has to be made regardless. This program will fall far, far behind if we don’t. Become irrelevant. Just look at fellow “power” FCS programs, and you’ll see facilities and perks that are rivaling G5 and even some lower P5 programs. There’s still a ton of stuff to be resolved and news to drop, but Sac cannot be complacent. Either dive in all the way and make the investment to be a real FBS school, or dive all the fvck way in and be a real FCS school!
Okay. Current rant over
HornetFootballFan
Active member
Me too. I keep checking online
HornetFootballFan
Active member
I think FBS / FCS reclassification won’t occur until 2030 which is when majority of the refresh of athletic conferences have contracts coming up for renewal.
Then the P5 might flex and try to thin the crowd in the larger pool of college footballs revenue stream.
Then the P5 might flex and try to thin the crowd in the larger pool of college footballs revenue stream.
My guess/hope is that it means we've received an invite (terms of membership) and have a deadline to accept or reject it. I sure hope it's not a countdown to something like the release of a stadium rendering or a Sac12 message...although, it would be "so Hornet" if it was just something along those lines.
GreenArmySwarm
Active member
I don’t think an invite is coming until the UNLV/Air Force decision is settled. But I have a feeling that there’s been active conversation between Sac State and the Mountain West
Both conferences are below the FBS minimum with the Pac most likely getting to 8 at the expense of the MW. There is no reason for the MW to wait on issuing invites to backfill, especially if they have exhausted inquires with FBS targets (NMSU & UTEP).
My guess is the UNLV/AF decision won't happen until they know who that 8th member is going to be in the MW.
GreenArmySwarm
Active member
it’s more on how much $ they can/willing to offer Sac State. They’re in an active lawsuit with the PAC now. If both UNLV and AFA leaves, there would be A LOT more $ to offer for the call up.
GreenArmySwarm
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Montana’s AD
GreenArmySwarm
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Sounds like Montana’s AD might have heard a thing or two as well. No AD would openly jump on and respond to a fan comment with that kind of statement
Interesting. I wouldn't expect anything from the MW other than them to pick up the $5M reclassification fee, and even that might just be hedged against future conference payouts.
That's a very late night response from his time zone too. He's big mad.
Releasing that feasibility study publicly states Sac State is on their way out. There is no taking that back.
HornetFootballFan
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Thought this was cool…
HornetFootballFan
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Take this poll. SAC STATE in Mtn West
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