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The PAC/MWC Dominoes Begin to Fall

HeavyistheClown said:
https://www.calstate.edu/csu-system...2024/Documents/nov-20-21-2024-CPBG-binder.pdf

No stadium mentioned. Stadium won’t be torn down in three weeks.
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We’re still talking government here. They wouldn’t plan/commit/pay for demolition before the possibility of an FCS playoff game (even though we know that’s not in cards now). Information on funding for the stadium project is coming.

I’ll just say there are deadlines to CSU for agenda items for meetings like this that are like a month+ in advance. And, before that they’re months in the works with internal admin, counsel, etc.
 
HornetFootballFan said:
Without officially getting our PAC12 invite and know what our portion of conference revenue share will be you can’t do the math to complete the CSU bond transactions.

Hopefully the PAC12 gives us a thumbs up soon so that we can present our financials to get everything moving forward.

Bummer a delay but big projects take time. Not sure when the next meeting will be held?
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Shouldn’t matter. Presser they said stadium getting built regardless at 25k seats. Why say stadium completely down directly after the season when they knew that was not true? Next BOT will be late January.

Maybe the tribe who was spearheading, no pun intended, realized it was all hot air and took their pledges and bought the soccer team instead?
 
HornetFootballFan said:
Without officially getting our PAC12 invite and know what our portion of conference revenue share will be you can’t do the math to complete the CSU bond transactions.

Hopefully the PAC12 gives us a thumbs up soon so that we can present our financials to get everything moving forward.

Bummer a delay but big projects take time. Not sure when the next meeting will be held?
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Dr. Wood and Orr have stated multiple times that the stadium is happening regardless of FBS invite so potential Pac revenues should have no bearing on the stadium.

Regarding the lack of Board items, it's disappointing but just not a major blow. It just sets the timeline back. The stadium renovation (and events center) has been on the master plan for years, so we'll only see approval of stadium plans when it gets to that point. I was hoping to see stadium financing on the Board agenda this time around. We'll have to wait for the next meeting in January.
 
HeavyistheClown said:
Shouldn’t matter. Presser they said stadium getting built regardless at 25k seats. Why say stadium completely down directly after the season when they knew that was not true? Next BOT will be late January.

Maybe the tribe who was spearheading, no pun intended, realized it was all hot air and took their pledges and bought the soccer team instead?
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I have a hard time seeing Dr. Wood go through this whole ordeal with the hopes of the Sky River folks bankrolling it. I sure he was hoping to lure in some of that money, but at the end of the day the students were always going to be the primary financial backers of this project and that isn't going to change.
 
HeavyistheClown said:
Shouldn’t matter. Presser they said stadium getting built regardless at 25k seats. Why say stadium completely down directly after the season when they knew that was not true? Next BOT will be late January.

Maybe the tribe who was spearheading, no pun intended, realized it was all hot air and took their pledges and bought the soccer team instead?
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It does matter because conference revenue share affects the P&L formula.

YES… the stadium is getting built regardless of FBS. The thing I believe you missed is that the sketches we have seen are of a premium equipped stadium. (Graphics etc).

The base model and the premium level are two very different price points. Like a house without upgrades or a new car w zero upgrades base model.

The better income that we can factor as revenues in addition to passed referendums by student body makes a difference in how well equipped our new stadium will be.
 
SDHornet said:
I have a hard time seeing Dr. Wood go through this whole ordeal with the hopes of the Sky River folks bankrolling it. I sure he was hoping to lure in some of that money, but at the end of the day the students were always going to be the primary financial backers of this project and that isn't going to change.
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Still great advertising for SkyRiver having great exposure for all of our sports programs.

Casinos need diverse advertising channels and SAC ST FBS would be a great network.

This seasons record. Won’t make a difference over the coarse of a 5 or 10 yr contract. YES. Time to start winning!!!!
 
Kadeezy said:
This is a must listen for those interested in NIL, Sac State as FCS, FBS... The NIL Collective 3rd Party dude eludes to the fact that SAC might be in touch with Pac-12, MWC, American, and C-USA.

Stingers Up - The Sacramento State Football Podcast with Jason Ross Archives - Sactown Sports

sactownsports.com sactownsports.com
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I listened to this last night. Sounds like NIL will continue to grow in complexity and significance.
The retention clauses are normal for business and I agree and see how this should be included in the T&C’s.

The Power 4 with an NIL Salary Cap of $21.5M per season is a solid Budget.

He pointed to SMU with a strong NIL and there success this season.

Our entry into PAC / MWC and the great job SAC12 is doing w NIL will position our program for success unless coaches are making bad choices in recruiting athletes and are stumbling in play calling going forward?

TBD 2 more games to see how these coaches perform?

**Another rumor I heard is that MWC is watching and waiting to see our New FB Stadium get started before sending an invitation. (“They want action not words on stadium first?”)

Having the construction starting w Base Model Stadium. I would ask builder when is cutoff date to add stadium premium upgrades? (Big Display Electronics etc)?

This would allow us to factor conference revenue share allocation into our Pro Forma / Budget for the facility!

PAC is preferred but I’d accept a MWC invite if it’s in my hands now! Rather than sitting and waiting for PAC.
 
HornetFootballFan said:
I listened to this last night. Sounds like NIL will continue to grow in complexity and significance.
The retention clauses are normal for business and I agree and see how this should be included in the T&C’s.

The Power 4 with an NIL Salary Cap of $21.5M per season is a solid Budget.

He pointed to SMU with a strong NIL and there success this season.

Our entry into PAC / MWC and the great job SAC12 is doing w NIL will position our program for success unless coaches are making bad choices in recruiting athletes and are stumbling in play calling going forward?

TBD 2 more games to see how these coaches perform?

**Another rumor I heard is that MWC is watching and waiting to see our New FB Stadium get started before sending an invitation. (“They want action not words on stadium first?”)

Having the construction starting w Base Model Stadium. I would ask builder when is cutoff date to add stadium premium upgrades? (Big Display Electronics etc)?

This would allow us to factor conference revenue share allocation into our Pro Forma / Budget for the facility!

PAC is preferred but I’d accept a MWC invite if it’s in my hands now! Rather than sitting and waiting for PAC.
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My understanding of the pay for play monies is that the $21.5M is "revenue sharing" directly from the university allowable via the House settlement. NIL is 3rd party transactions "independent" of the university. I think it is 2 different buckets of money from different sources.

Regarding the stadium construction contracting, I've never done a CSU job but I've managed multi-million dollar capital improvement projects that have been structured to be built in phases under a single awarded contract. It can be facilitated in a couple different ways:

1. The Owner can issued a base bid with alternative bid schedules during advertisement. This would give the Owner the option to proceed with or decline alternative bid schedule at the time of contract award. An Owner may do this if they are unsure if they have the funding to construct the entire project with all the bells and whistles up front...or if the Owner is just hunting for estimates.
2. After the contract is awarded, the Owner can make a request for proposal to the contractor currently under contract to have the additional scope of work complete. There may be stipulations on this if the additional work exceeds a certain percentage of the initial contract value. Not sure what the CSU rules are but this route could be problematic if the additional scope is large in cost.
3. Another option would be just to advertise a new and separate contract for the additional work with a schedule "to start" at the completion of the first project that is already in progress. In this scenario, the Contractor on-site would have an advantage due to already being mobilized and would likely be the low bidder.

Point is there are multiple ways to get to full buildout, but first thing is first, Dr. Wood needs to get shovels moving for the first phase. I would expect no FBS invites until a shovel hits the ground.
 
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No stadium renders within a few weeks as promised at presser.
No announcement of funding model soon after presser.
Main supporter taking potential capital $$$ and building own $217m 12,000 seat stadium off campus.
No BOT approval to move project along delaying availability.
No invite, no public interest expressed.
If $217m to build a 12,000 seat stadium, Sac State dream would approach $350m minimum.
Abysmal flagship programs in football and MBB.

Credit is due to Wood/Orr for trying. But no cigar.
 
Pac recently retained a consultant (Octagon) to get them their media deal. I heard one podcast speculating that the Pac's media deal will get finalized by the new year so they can re-gear their pitch for AAC schools. We'll see if that comes to fruition.

Regarding the stadium news, yes Dr. Wood needs to formalize it. But I wouldn't bury this effort yet, there is still a lot of moving parts and Dr. Wood staked his entire reputation on this project. He doesn't come across as the type that will let an opportunity like this fall by the wayside.
 
BuckeyeHornetFan said:
Don’t post speculation. Show your work here.

What evidence can you provide to back up who the “main supporter” is/was?
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It’s all speculation.
Until the dump trucks show up, everything is completely vapor.

Not a lot of cash falling out of trees in govt town Sacramento. Deductively, if Sky River is dropping a chunk of $217m, that is/was a revenue source that could have benefitted the cause.
 
I read a post that Teresa Gould the president of PAC 12 believes PAC & MWC will settle out of court for 50% of the amount in poaching fees.

I doubt that. Nothing worse than a woman scorned. Gloria Nevarez MWC is a smart business person. She doesn't need to discount it.

In addition Teresa stating her plan of that in public was poor execution.

Part of that “saved $” from that settlement she was going to direct toward bringing Memphis to PAC to get 8 members FBS.

Without those funds Memphis will decline like in past. Buy out too big in AAC. Travel costs too big too without extra $$.

Then she wants to use whatever they have to try bring Tulane, USF, Louisiana or TX State in.

After that she mentions SAC STATE option.

If we were already FBS like Sam Houston for example we could have already joined in my opinion.

I see this coming down to litigation between PAC & MWC poaching fees. Also how long that drags out.

If I were MWC I’d drag it out to suffocate PAC from a having Memphis.

Let’s see how savage Gloria is? The Teresa interview wasn’t smart disclosing her plan of action.

Truthfully for business reasons I want PAC for Max $. But I still like the MWC as well. Still some solid programs and having Reno & SJSU regionally are very convenient partners for over 20 sports.
 
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FootballAlum84 said:
I’ll give a pat on the back to Hornet Fans for keeping us #12 in attendance despite our worst season since 2018.

herosports.com

2024 FCS Regular-Season Attendance Leaders

Jackson State is once again the FCS leader in average home attendance, drawing 27,213 fans per home game.
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With the exception of Norfolk State, all of the programs ahead of the Hornets on that list finished with winning records.

So, yes, it is impressive to maintain a decent attendance record. That won't hold, though, if they duplicate this season another time or two. Unless they do manage to elevate to FBS despite it all.

Gotta turn things around immediately.
 
HornetFootballFan said:
After that she mentions SAC STATE option.

If we were already FBS like Sam Houston for example we could have already joined in my opinion.

I see this coming down to litigation between PAC & MWC poaching fees. Also how long that drags out.
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Sac State has D2 facilities. Until that is fixed the school will never be seriously considered. We never upgraded facilities going back to the DI announcement in 1992.

Plans are fun, but brick/steel/cement are proof.

Media market potential is only so intriguing when all the other metrics are laughable. Sac State is the last fat girl with braces left at the dance. I think the belle of the ball who is in the same media market, with successful programs and facilities might get the attention instead.
 
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