Time for Changes

[SDHornet]

Notice that northern Arizona, Montana and Southern Utah are all knocked out of the FCS playoffs on their first round games. And NAU and UM hosted. All teams that the Hornets lost to in a combined total of 7 points. SUU and UM by 3 , both in OT at Hornet Stadium and 1 point loss to NAU also at Hornet Stadium. We are so close to the top 20 but come up oh so short and off the FCS radar.

Eastern Washington is the only Big Sky school among the 4 who got in, still standing in the FCS playoffs. EWU is also a commuter school with a terrible stadium with a one ugly red field but seems to get it done.

I see it a different way...more of a lost opportunity at a notable accomplishment. We should have beat SUU, we should have beat NAU, we should have beat UM = we should have made the playoffs. Thank you Sperbeck for squandering the opportunity of our D1 era. :clap: hno: :thumbdown:

 

[Green Laser]

And I see it still another way! The BSC was filled with mostly solid but not great teams this year. Aside from ISU, UNC and Weber on the low end. EWU was a step ahead of the pack. Any of the others were a play, bad call, penalty, injury etc. away from a win or loss any given day. I my opinion NAU, SUU, Montana (or Sac State if things had gone differently) did not belong in the playoffs. The playoffs should be for exceptional teams not just good or solid teams. Expanding the playoff field is a joke, their impact is diluted, nobody but a small minority of sports fans are even aware of them or place any real importance on them. Look at the attendance figures pretty much across the board less than the host's regular season average. EWU drew 6,000 for the second round game yesterday. Same goes for the lower level bowl games, fans at San Jose State are pissed because their 6-6 team was not selected to play some other 6-6 team in a meaningless "bowl" that no one heard of or cares about. Get real people!

 

[SDHornet]

I agree with some of your points above, however the playoffs can be used as a measuring stick to see where this program stacks up. Since we can’t even get there in a down BSC year, what does that tell you about the status of this program? Since no one cares about the playoffs we should not strive to get there?

 

[Kadeezy]

As a side note, did anyone else see in the Bee this week that we lost the CIF North championship games to Diablo Valley JC? DVC has a 7,000 seat stadium that I'm sure will end up in folks being turned away at the gates for the big games (especially DLS v. Folsom).

Last year I think about 15,000+ attended the Open game at Sac State. We must have really screwed up in the bidding process to lose out to a JC. I thought hosting the games would be a great recruiting tool; too bad we couldn't keep them long enough to find out. Maybe we had to withdraw our bid because the track is being updated! lol...

 

[Green Laser]

I agree with some of your points above, however the playoffs can be used as a measuring stick to see where this program stacks up. Since we can’t even get there in a down BSC year, what does that tell you about the status of this program? Since no one cares about the playoffs we should not strive to get there?

I understand, selection for the playoffs is kind of a yardstick of progress and we fell a little short. I suspect we disagree on why we fell short!
My point is that we were in the mix and competitive with the teams selected. The level of the three teams that edged us out was still nowhere near good enough to advance. I would rather see a smaller playoff field composed of teams that actually have a shot of playing for the National Championship instead of wasting the other 16 or 20 teams time and money.

 

[Green Laser]

As a side note, did anyone else see in the Bee this week that we lost the CIF North championship games to Diablo Valley JC? DVC has a 7,000 seat stadium that I'm sure will end up in folks being turned away at the gates for the big games (especially DLS v. Folsom).

Last year I think about 15,000+ attended the Open game at Sac State. We must have really screwed up in the bidding process to lose out to a JC. I thought hosting the games would be a great recruiting tool; too bad we couldn't keep them long enough to find out. Maybe we had to withdraw our bid because the track is being updated! lol...

I suspect that it is a "home game" for DLS, they have the higher seed. I think if Folsom was the higher seed it would have been at Sac State.

 

[superhornet]

As a side note, did anyone else see in the Bee this week that we lost the CIF North championship games to Diablo Valley JC? DVC has a 7,000 seat stadium that I'm sure will end up in folks being turned away at the gates for the big games (especially DLS v. Folsom).

Last year I think about 15,000+ attended the Open game at Sac State. We must have really screwed up in the bidding process to lose out to a JC. I thought hosting the games would be a great recruiting tool; too bad we couldn't keep them long enough to find out. Maybe we had to withdraw our bid because the track is being updated! lol...

I suspect that it is a "home game" for DLS, they have the higher seed. I think if Folsom was the higher seed it would have been at Sac State.

Either that or CIF wanted to rotate it. I do think GL's perspective is the more likely, though.

 

[Green Laser]

It's like the Norcal Basketball the higher seed hosts. North Coast Section Champion DLS hosting Sac Joaquin Section Champion Folsom at DVC. Central Coast Section Champion Serra of San Mateo hosting Sac Joaquin Section Champion Del Oro at San Jose City College.

A little off topic but I heard there is interest in putting in a bid for the CIF State Track and Field Championships after the current Clovis' contract runs out in either 2014 or 2015.
Great opportunity to bring the best athletes in the state on campus for two days. Many of the athletes also play football, basketball etc!

 

[HornetHope]

I agree with some of your points above, however the playoffs can be used as a measuring stick to see where this program stacks up. Since we can’t even get there in a down BSC year, what does that tell you about the status of this program? Since no one cares about the playoffs we should not strive to get there?

Stupid me! Here I thought getting blown out by the Manure Pile and Cow Poke was a more realistic assessment of where our program is. I thought them playing UM, SUU and NAU was like their playoff game and played well beyond their ability. I thought the games against SOU, PSU, UND, WSU was more of a statement like "See we really are not in the bottom third of the BSC", but for a favorable schedule we really are.

I liken the recent coaching change to reshuffling a stacked deck, 39 cards of 1 suit, 13 of another. No matter how much you shuffle the deck you still get the same results.

 

[Green Laser]

Back to the subject of "change". Is there anything official on the status of Parker or Roberson? We heard it first on here that they we gone, then on Football Scoop by a unnamed source, OSH? Last time I checked both were still listed on the department website. Any news or updates?

 

[GoldenEagleHornet]

Back to the subject of "change". Is there anything official on the status of Parker or Roberson? We heard it first on here that they we gone, then on Football Scoop by a unnamed source, OSH? Last time I checked both were still listed on the department website. Any news or updates?

I just tweeted Joe Davidson and asked if he could confirmed.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

Back to the subject of "change". Is there anything official on the status of Parker or Roberson? We heard it first on here that they we gone, then on Football Scoop by a unnamed source, OSH? Last time I checked both were still listed on the department website. Any news or updates?

There won't be a change on the website until a week before next season starts.

 

[Kadeezy]

Also,

Has anyone heard anything about players transferring out of the program? I know that there's a few every year; I just hope Jihad Vercher isn't one of them. Maybe he can use next year as his RS season (if Safron remains healthy), then he has a shot at being a 3-year starter...

I worry though after what happened with Jake Geringer (http://www.calbears.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30100&ATCLID=208828260" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false and recalling the Vercher family comments on the Hornet Football FB page about him not playing...

 

[SDHornet]

Didn’t Geringer get hurt while he was here? I seem to recall he wasn’t always healthy. And regardless of how it ended up, turns out he would have been on the bench behind Safron anyways.

As far as Vercher goes I hope he sticks around but my guess is he bails, especially if Peterson goes elsewhere. If people are filling his head with ideas that he should be a starter now or that for whatever reason he feels he is getting the short end of the stick I think the chances of him bolting are high. He can play a year at JC then transfer anywhere he wants as a JR the following year. And I thought his redshirt was burned this year?

 

[GoldenEagleHornet]

Back to the subject of "change". Is there anything official on the status of Parker or Roberson? We heard it first on here that they we gone, then on Football Scoop by a unnamed source, OSH? Last time I checked both were still listed on the department website. Any news or updates?

I just tweeted Joe Davidson and asked if he could confirmed.

Joe D's reply,

Joe Davidson ‏@SacBee_JoeD 54m
@D---3n1 Looking into it the last 2 days. Sac State has gone...SILENT

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

As a side note, did anyone else see in the Bee this week that we lost the CIF North championship games to Diablo Valley JC? DVC has a 7,000 seat stadium that I'm sure will end up in folks being turned away at the gates for the big games (especially DLS v. Folsom).

Last year I think about 15,000+ attended the Open game at Sac State. We must have really screwed up in the bidding process to lose out to a JC..

Sac State didn't lose out on anything. It had nothing to do with that. It was more about rotating the games to make it fair for fans from the Bay area. The CIF waited to announce the locations because they wanted to see what the matchups would be for certain.

Last season, the Open and D1 games pitted 2 Bay area programs against Sac area programs. Both games were played at Sac State. When the same thing happened is year, they decided to rotate the location. Next year, you'll probably see the games back at Sac State.

I think after 2014, the CIF is considering rotating the State Bowl games between SoCal and NorCal. While Sac State lost out on the bid to the Home Depot Center for this season and next, don't be surprised if they get one of the games in 2015.

 

[Kadeezy]

Didn’t Geringer get hurt while he was here? I seem to recall he wasn’t always healthy. And regardless of how it ended up, turns out he would have been on the bench behind Safron anyways.

As far as Vercher goes I hope he sticks around but my guess is he bails, especially if Peterson goes elsewhere. If people are filling his head with ideas that he should be a starter now or that for whatever reason he feels he is getting the short end of the stick I think the chances of him bolting are high. He can play a year at JC then transfer anywhere he wants as a JR the following year. And I thought his redshirt was burned this year?

 

[Kadeezy]

Didn’t Geringer get hurt while he was here? I seem to recall he wasn’t always healthy. And regardless of how it ended up, turns out he would have been on the bench behind Safron anyways.

As far as Vercher goes I hope he sticks around but my guess is he bails, especially if Peterson goes elsewhere. If people are filling his head with ideas that he should be a starter now or that for whatever reason he feels he is getting the short end of the stick I think the chances of him bolting are high. He can play a year at JC then transfer anywhere he wants as a JR the following year. And I thought his redshirt was burned this year?

Didn’t Geringer get hurt while he was here? I seem to recall he wasn’t always healthy. And regardless of how it ended up, turns out he would have been on the bench behind Safron anyways.

As far as Vercher goes I hope he sticks around but my guess is he bails, especially if Peterson goes elsewhere. If people are filling his head with ideas that he should be a starter now or that for whatever reason he feels he is getting the short end of the stick I think the chances of him bolting are high. He can play a year at JC then transfer anywhere he wants as a JR the following year. And I thought his redshirt was burned this year?

I've heard that Geringer left because Safron won the job in Spring '12, but also that he had an elbow injury. I'm not sure which is true...

A player had 5 years to play 4 years... Except for in special circumstances when a player could be granted a 6th year to play in part of a 5th season due to injury (see Stephen Sir at NAU, Jason White at OU, etc...). Most players will RS their first year on campus to learn and grow without using a year of eligibility. However Jihad's first year was wasted for 5 passes and some placeholding duties. He now has 4 years to play 3. SO, he could still RS or transfer without losing eligibility. I was suggesting that he should RS in 2014 and comeback in 2015 as RS Sophomore and likely have a great shot a being a 3-year starter (into 2017!). Some players never use a RS season. Jake Croxdale played as a true Freshman and never RS'd, playing 4 in 4 years.

 

[Green Laser]

Didn’t Geringer get hurt while he was here? I seem to recall he wasn’t always healthy. And regardless of how it ended up, turns out he would have been on the bench behind Safron anyways.

As far as Vercher goes I hope he sticks around but my guess is he bails, especially if Peterson goes elsewhere. If people are filling his head with ideas that he should be a starter now or that for whatever reason he feels he is getting the short end of the stick I think the chances of him bolting are high. He can play a year at JC then transfer anywhere he wants as a JR the following year. And I thought his redshirt was burned this year?

Didn’t Geringer get hurt while he was here? I seem to recall he wasn’t always healthy. And regardless of how it ended up, turns out he would have been on the bench behind Safron anyways.

As far as Vercher goes I hope he sticks around but my guess is he bails, especially if Peterson goes elsewhere. If people are filling his head with ideas that he should be a starter now or that for whatever reason he feels he is getting the short end of the stick I think the chances of him bolting are high. He can play a year at JC then transfer anywhere he wants as a JR the following year. And I thought his redshirt was burned this year?

I've heard that Geringer left because Safron won the job in Spring '12, but also that he had an elbow injury. I'm not sure which is true...

A player had 5 years to play 4 years... Except for in special circumstances when a player could be granted a 6th year to play in part of a 5th season due to injury (see Stephen Sir at NAU, Jason White at OU, etc...). Most players will RS their first year on campus to learn and grow without using a year of eligibility. However Jihad's first year was wasted for 5 passes and some placeholding duties. He now has 4 years to play 3. SO, he could still RS or transfer without losing eligibility. I was suggesting that he should RS in 2014 and comeback in 2015 as RS Sophomore and likely have a great shot a being a 3-year starter (into 2017!). Some players never use a RS season. Jake Croxdale played as a true Freshman and never RS'd, playing 4 in 4 years.

Geringer transferred to Saddleback College for a year and then on to Cal where he spent last season.
http://www.calbears.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208828260&DB_OEM_ID=30100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe their bench is nicer than ours!

 

[Hornet Student]

Back to the subject of "change". Is there anything official on the status of Parker or Roberson? We heard it first on here that they we gone, then on Football Scoop by a unnamed source, OSH? Last time I checked both were still listed on the department website. Any news or updates?

I just tweeted Joe Davidson and asked if he could confirmed.

Joe D's reply,

Joe Davidson ‏@SacBee_JoeD 54m
@D---3n1 Looking into it the last 2 days. Sac State has gone...SILENT

I have heard the whole defensive staff has been let go... Except Parker who has been demoted to DBs coach.