Time for Changes

[SDHornet]

Guess I got confused when I read your statement..."I'm doubting there are any Hornet alums out there qualified and experienced to take this program to the next level."

I stand by that statement; nowhere did I say Hornet alums shouldn’t be considered for the HC job so stop trying to put words in my mouth. Feel free to drop some names on which Hornet alums you feel are up to the task of taking this program to levels never before seen.

You still have not provided a lick of proof that Wanless has been instrumental in any specific area of fundraising. Hell, Dick and his scotch and Geritol drinking Fabulous Forties Crew raise more money for football than Wanless ever will...and he knows it. And no, I don't have a "presser" for that fact. :lol:

Apparently you didn’t look at the link above. Numbers don’t lie, revenues and contributions are up; but don’t let facts get in your way. If Dick Sperbeck is the reason those numbers are up then HC Sperbeck will be here a long while.

 

[GoldenEagleHornet]

Randy Stewart absolutely would be an intriguing hire.. I've watched him coach for the past decade as well as been to many clinics that he has spoken at.. He coaches with passion and respect and kids seem to naturally follow. Would love to see a guy like that lead a program!!!

Are you Randy or his kid? All of your posts have to do with a guy no one has heard of and seems to have a less than compelling resume.

Who had heard of Mike MacIntyre before becoming SJSU's HC and moving on to Colorado? Pete Carroll didn't have a compelling resumé when USC got him. I looked up Randy Steweart and he appears to have good qualifications.

I think we ought to consider a coach from CLU. Check out this article from earlier in the season:
http://www.footballscoop.com/news/11086-how-one-division-iii-school-became-the-west-coast-cradle-of-coaches" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Their DC, Scott Beattie, apparently spent a year at Sac St. He has quite the experience at all levels of collegiate football. He been all over the state coaching from HS to JuCo to NCAA. And he has ties to Texas.
http://www.clusports.com/football/staff/16/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[OldSchoolHornet]

I didn't put words in your mouth...thus the quotation marks.

We finally agree on something...Dick is the only reason Marshall is still in the drill.

If you need any help identifying ex-Hornets that may be considerations for the HC job then you really aren't the in-the-know guy on this board :lol:

GL...if you don't think Stewart's resume is "compelling", you must have absolutely hated Sperbeck's.

 

[Green Laser]

I didn't put words in your mouth...thus the quotation marks.

We finally agree on something...Dick is the only reason Marshall is still in the drill.

If you need any help identifying ex-Hornets that may be considerations for the HC job then you really aren't the in-the-know guy on this board :lol:

GL...if you don't think Stewart's resume is "compelling", you must have absolutely hated Sperbeck's.

You mean 15 years of successful head coaching experience at Foothill College as opposed to a over the hill lifetime assistant coach with no head coaching experience?

 

[OldSchoolHornet]

I agree...his performance at Foothill was admirable...more difficult to win there than most people know. Just wish that success would have transfered better to his current position. I think Sperbeck realized this deal was a whole different can of whupass right before he cut Remington loose. Rem' had been his right-hand-man and assistant head coach at Foothill most of those years he was successful.

 

[SDHornet]

I didn't put words in your mouth...thus the quotation marks.

And yet you conveniently ignored my post on page two. Here it is since you can’t seem to find it:

And this is my fear when it comes time for Wanless to make a change. This “hire a former Hornet” mentality will cause this program to remain stuck in the mud. I’m not saying we shouldn’t hire a Hornet alum, I’m just saying this mentality will prevent us from bringing in the most capable and qualified HC to take this program to new levels. Hornet football history isn’t exactly filled with success, so I’m not sure what being a Hornet alum brings to the table aside form just checking off a box and bringing in familiarity for fellow alumni to have a big Hornet football circle jerk.

We finally agree on something...Dick is the only reason Marshall is still in the drill.

Seems like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. According to you, Wanless is bad and can’t fund raise but he made a bad hire by bringing in a coach who has fund raising connections. Somehow that makes complete sense by your logic. :dunce: :lol:

If you need any help identifying ex-Hornets that may be considerations for the HC job then you really aren't the in-the-know guy on this board :lol:

No I don’t follow much outside of Hornet football so I don’t know who has done what and at what level within the football coaching world. BTW still waiting on a list of candidates you would like to see here as HC, specifically those with Hornet ties.

 

[OldSchoolHornet]

Speaking of speaking out both sides of your mouth...you state that you doubt there are any ex-Hornet candidates who are qualified or experienced enough to take this program to the next level, but you go on to admit you don't follow much outside of Hornet football so you don't know who has done what and at what level within the coaching world. Would that be a good example? :rofl:

Dick Sperbeck has been raising money for Sac State athletics since the early 80's and you want to claim Wanless brought him into the drill? Really?

Consider it a rhetorical question. I thought I was dealing with someone who actually knew something about the history of the program. My bad.

 

[SDHornet]

Speaking of speaking out both sides of your mouth...you state that you doubt there are any ex-Hornet candidates who are qualified or experienced enough to take this program to the next level, but you go on to admit you don't follow much outside of Hornet football so you don't know who has done what and at what level within the coaching world. Would that be a good example? :rofl:

So prove me wrong and provide some names. I’m still waiting.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Wow. Quite a spirited debate going on. More entertaining to follow than actual Hornets football right about now.

 

[josephpoint]

Yep, Dick Sperbeck was hired to run the brand new Hornet Stinger Foundation in 1980, what today has transformed into the Hornet Club. He was a one man show back then and he envisionred an athletic program at Sac State to be like what was going on at Fresno State, which by 1980 had many years before left the Div II ranks.

 

[Green Laser]

Yep, Dick Sperbeck was hired to run the brand new Hornet Stinger Foundation in 1980, what today has transformed into the Hornet Club. He was a one man show back then and he envisionred an athletic program at Sac State to be like what was going on at Fresno State, which by 1980 had many years before left the Div II ranks.

I don't know about being "hired" I know he was one of the founders. There were a lot of lot of Stinger members, I still have my Stinger Polo Shirt! The Stingers were important in raising the money for Sac State's first athletic scholarships. You are right they were patterned after the Fresno State's Bulldog Foundation which actually help start the Stingers. There had been a previous group called H.A.R.T (Hornet Athletic Round Table) to support athletics but that had fallen apart before Coach Mattos arrived in 1978.

 

[SDHornet]

I don’t believe Dick is currently on the Hornet Club board. Since the QB Club went away with the reformation of the Hornet Club I do not know to what level of involvement Dick has with respect to fundraising; but sources close to the situation insist it is significant enough to retain HC Sperbeck’s services.

 

[OldSchoolHornet]

Dick was most definitely paid as the director of the original Stinger Foundation. He stills gets compensated for his fundraising efforts only now it's in the form of Marshall's paycheck. How else can anyone explain Marshall going from an original hiring at $120K to his current pay of $200+?
I really don't think anyone can make a case for his performance being commensurate with the increase in compensation.

 

[SDHornet]

You come up with any Hornet alums qualified and capable of being the next HC that will take this program to new heights? Guess I’ll keep waiting.

 

[OldSchoolHornet]

Keep waiting Mr. In-the-know...it has all become a moot point...you might want to check in with your "sources close to the situation" before you lose any cred you might have on this site. I'm sure you're not risking much. :rofl:

 

[SDHornet]

That illustrious Hornet legacy you were telling me about and you can’t name a single alum for an HC candidate. Sounds like my doubts are justified.

BTW that "sources close to the situation" was referring to you. :lol:

 

[OldSchoolHornet]

Just when I was starting to think you were a Wanless shill, it turns out you're just another guy who doesn't know what he doesn't know. I'm sure eventually someone will get you up to speed. Until then, enjoy your blissful ignorance and keep working hard at pretending you actually have an informed opinion.

Feel free to have the last word.

 

[josephpoint]

I knew Dick Sperbeck was hired 33 years ago to raise funds for Hornet athletics with the goal of taking the program to Div I. I knew as sports editor of the State Hornet that I wasn't imagining intervieweing him in 1980 in his little office on campus and sharing his vision of Sac State going to Div I someday.

Interesting how posters to this board tend to question any part of Hornet athletics history that came before them.

Seems like we want to expand this board and embrace all the history and facts past and present.

Guessing we want posters from 1947 to currrent

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

Ok, everyone chill out. What is even at question here?

I agree with SD, please state some former Hornet alums who would be a HC candidate here? SD is asking YOU to provide some examples, as you are wise and 'in-the-know' to the potential candidates of that time period and proven ability.

Thanks for the info, as a :dunce: , I wasn't aware that the real reason Sperbeck has been given seven years here was because of donations tied to his dad's past involvement. That explains a lot, as he should have been under the microscope three years ago.

Why the hate towards Wanless and Sperbeck, you sound like you have an axe to grind?

I tried to like the Sperbeck thing, but as a fan, I am tired of .500 or worse seasons. Seems the gate is showing it with very low numbers this year. After seven years, the missle is headed back to earth with this experiment.

 

[josephpoint]

tired too.

agree with a change is in need.

my comment was not about a change.

I'm chillaxed here.

My first comment ever calling someone out and I get a chill out. Wow.

I'm on the same page as u.