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#16 Portland State vs #1 Kansas Thread

Hey PSUVikings...thanks for the invite to your board. I actually thought you guys might have deserved a little higher seed though, but welcome to the big dance however it happens! I hope you will forgive me if I don't wish you too much congratulation though, because in my opinion "P" is way too close to "B" for me to be comfortable doing that. I am a big Portland (the city) fan, and I am jealous of the environment you guys live in but I will take my local basketball any day. If any of you are going to Omaha , I hope you take advantage of the Midwest hospitality in the Old Market area. It is a lot of fun! Welcome to the dance and enjoy!
 
ManOfVision said:
On behalf of all PSU fans, I have to say thanks to the KU fans for being so nice and respectful. In my opinion, you are the classiest bunch of fans we've encountered on this board. We know a few other groups (that means you, Griz fan) who could learn a thing or two from you!

+1

Well said.
 
I saw a little bit of your championship game vs. NAU... congrats, Vikings! I wish you were playing someone else so I wouldn't have to cheer against your team on its first trip to the NCAAs, but here's to this becoming a tradition for you in the years to come.

Go Jayhawks! Rock Chalk from New Mexico
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beatmu said:
I saw a little bit of your championship game vs. NAU... congrats, Vikings! I wish you were playing someone else so I wouldn't have to cheer against your team on its first trip to the NCAAs, but here's to this becoming a tradition for you in the years to come.

Go Jayhawks! Rock Chalk from New Mexico
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Rock on! I very much hope we can make this a tradition. It's been one helluva ride so far, and we haven't even played a game!
 
PSU VS Kansas (3/20)
The Vikings are finally in the big dance, and instead of excitement, fans may feel like they are looking down the barrel of a gun. As a 16 seed, going up against 30-3 Kansas, I wouldn’t blame them. Many expected to be at least the 15, with some estimates as high as a 14 against a school like Xavier. However, as bubbles burst and conference champions fell in tournaments, it became likely that the Green would not be lucky this time around. So, here we are, waiting for the blade to drop, and yet I’m still ecstatic, and I know I’m not alone. Even the NIT would have sufficed for many, but the fact that the basketball team was able to take care of its business seems to be a metaphor for PSU’s progress as a whole, and its future. Oregon being Oregon, PSU will be trumped by the Ducks’ luck slipping in to the tourney.

Why did the Vikings drop to a number 16? Interest of fairness, attendance/money. UMBC, who is statistically a worse team , got what would have been the Viks’ 15 seed. Their game is in Raleigh against 2 seed Georgetown. The hope is that UMBC will be able to get their entire allotment to the game if it is that close. Georgetown will have no trouble with that, but the proximity should also give them a pseudo home court advantage. PSU would probably only be able to get about 15 fans to a game in Raleigh, and would create much less sentimentality than they will in Omaha. In Omaha, the Viks will be the fan favorites outside the KU allotment, even though the game is close to Kansas.

The fact that they got this far amazes me. I had a lot of doubt about the season after the meltdowns against San Jose State at home and Eastern Washington on the road. The beginning of the season was marred by awful finishes to a majority of the games, and a lack of cohesion. The second half dominance began with Deonte Huff carrying the team as the only consistent presence, both physically and offensively. Next came Jeremiah Dominguez’ decision to become completely unstoppable and send a message to the Big Sky. Julius Thomas went down with a broken rib, and Scott Morrison seized the opportunity to reassert himself as the center of the team. Tyrell Mara’s injury led to the eventual evolution of Kyle Coston into a starting role, and Andre Murray was able to fill in the hole left by Dupree Lucas’ mysterious step back. So, justly the Viks deserve the 16. The committee is supposed to seed based on recent personnel and results, but consistency is also important, and the Viks certainly weren’t that.

KU, the number 1 seed, is the natural favorite to win the region and get to the Final 4. Every year the #1 has continued to be an automatic ticket to the second round. However, they face the toughest opponent of any of the 1 seeds, and will have to deal with a fairly difficult region. If you are a Jayhawk fan, don’t be fooled into thinking that the effort that beat Northern Arizona by 41 and Eastern Washington by 38 at home will produce the same result against this Viking team.

The Vikings drew a very difficult match-up, but one that is more favorable than Duke or Wisconsin due to Kansas’ balanced size and aggressive style of play. At 3 out of 5 positions, the Viking starters should be able to hold their own, and their depth may finally prove vital, as Kansas will force physicality and athleticism. At the same time, some of the normal position players will be forced to play against players who are much larger and talented than they have become accustomed to in the Big Sky.

Match-Ups
In an effort to make room for people playing out of position, I will revert to the form the previews took at the beginning of the year; position by position.

Center
PSU: Scott Morrison KU: Darnell Jackson
Julius Thomas Sasha Kaun
JR Moore

Scott will start here, and should see his normal number of minutes if Kansas plays one of these three and he doesn’t get in foul trouble. The starter here will be either Jackson, Kaun, or Darrell Arthur. If Arthur starts, or lines up at center a lot, Julius Thomas or Alex Tiefenthaler will likely see time against him. Jackson is only 6’8”, but at a chiseled 250, he is extremely powerful inside. The most similar player Morrison has gone up against was Akron’s center, Jeremiah Wood. However, Jackson is more talented offensively. Morrison has really struggled when forced away from the basket. In this game, that will almost certainly happen, and if he can’t adjust, another player may be the best option, even though it will create a huge rebound gap. If Scott gets in foul trouble with Jackson in, Thomas is the obvious replacement. However, if it’s Kaun, Moore may see some time. He won’t be able to run the court with Kaun, but should be able to bang with him in the post for a few good minutes.
Advantage: Jayhawks

Power Forward
PSU: Kyle Coston KU: Darrell Arthur
Alex Tiefenthaler
Tyrell Mara

A player who is physically ready to play power forward in the NBA, Darrell Arthur was the star of a team of stars this year. He averaged 13 points and 6 rebounds, which will only be impressive when people look at the number of players from this team on NBA rosters in 5 years. He turned down the opportunity to be the guy at Baylor for the media, history, and opportunity at Kansas, and there is a chance that this year he will be rewarded.

Physically, the only player built to match up with Arthur is Tiefenthaler. They are both 6’9” 225, and play physical basketball. The difference is that Tief resorts to an outside game on the offensive end, whereas Arthur stays down low and dominates in the post. However, Tiefenthaler has seen a sharp decline in minutes with Kyle Coston’s steady improvement. As the likely starter, Coston will have to really have to shoot the lights out from the 3 point line, because there is no way he can handle Arthur in the post. He is definitely capable, and the Viks will hope he can and keep the game from becoming a laugher. Is Tyrell Mara really healthy? All indications say no. He was unstoppable at times in Alaska, and a strong defender his freshman year. Since then, he has been out with an injury, and dropped to a reserve role. If he is available at 100%, he would be a very useful asset. If not, he can become a defensive liability, and has gone cold offensively. If he isn’t forced to play center, Julius Thomas could also be very useful here. He plays a very similar game to that of Arthur on the boards and defensively. Though he isn’t an offensive threat, he might be able to keep Arthur further away from the hoop. Realistically, nobody is going to stop Arthur. The solace the Viks can take is that they could outscore him at the power forward if their shooters can get hot.
Advantage: Jayhawks

Small Forward
PSU: Deonte Huff KU: Brandon Rush
Justynn Hammond

Why is Brandon Rush still in college? Well, an injury definitely contributed to it, but the potential future lottery pick wants the same things Arthur wants, the big stage, and the opportunity to compete for a national championship. If he and his teammates can stay grounded and shoot free throws well, they shouldn’t really be challenged until the Sweet 16.

Every Viking fan knows Deonte Huff. For those who are Kansas fans, or underdog supporters, this is the guy to watch for excitement. If he was 2 inches taller, and had a pretty shooting stroke, he would be a mirror of Rush. He brings the house down with his dunking ability, creates tons of fouls with his uncanny ability to get to the hoop, and can hit shots from the outside as well. Defensively, he doesn’t really match up, so Kansas will look to get Rush the ball to exploit Huff. The two players could easily score the same number, or one could outscore the other by 20. It really depends on whose shots are falling from distance. Although I’d love to say this was a push, I have to give the advantage to Kansas based on defensive ability and the size difference. However, it could just as easily go the other way. Justynn Hammond is an unknown at this point. To get an idea of his story, there should be links from the Oregonian website. If he is available, Hammond could fare well here. His defense is superior to that of Huff, and his long arms and superior shooting stroke give him a fighting chance. If not, Tyrell Mara or Dupree Lucas may play here, but neither really matches up well physically.
Advantage: Jayhawks

Off Guard
PSU: Andre Murray KU: Sherron Collins
Dupree Lucas Rodrick Stewart
Brian Curtis

It is rare when a 6’2” shooting guard has a height advantage after high school. Especially when he is going up against a highly rated recruit who has the ability to rebound with the big men. However, that is the situation for Andre Murray in this match-up. It should be interesting to watch, because his playing style won’t necessarily be changed as a result. He will almost certainly continue to shoot whenever he is open on the offensive end, but he may be a little more aggressive if he has a chance to get by Collins. Dupree Lucas will also have to deal with Collins, and a combination of other guards. His defense a necessity, Lucas may see the kind of minutes he became accustomed to with consistent play last year. Brian Curtis may also see playing time for his defense, here or at the point. I honestly feel that the Vikings have a chance to hold their own here, It depends entirely on the rotation Bill Self chooses. If Collins, Robinson, and Chalmers all play extended time off the ball, the Vikings have no chance, but if Collins and Murray/Lucas is the primary match-up, I feel the efforts could counterbalance each other.
Advantage: Push

Point
PSU: Jeremiah Dominguez KU: Mario Chalmers
Mickey Polis Russell Robinson

Mario Chalmers dropped 30 points against DJ Augustin on Sunday. Chalmers and Russell Robinson are the best point guard tandem in the country, a 1 and 1a combo like Jordan Farmar and Darren Collison were for UCLA. Is there anything to be positive about? Maybe.

The Vikings have Big Sky Player of the Year Jeremiah Dominguez. The 5’6” phenomenon completely tore through the entire Big Sky the second half of the season, and when he makes outside shots, he is literally unstoppable. No matter his size, he gets to the hoop. Perhaps a good comparison is Earl Boykins. He can drop a shot from anywhere, but he is inside all the time anyway. When he is at his best, he is a terror on the defensive end as well. He can strip the ball with the best, and his unparalleled quickness ensures he’s the first one to the hoop. If Dominguez gets in foul trouble, the game is over. Mickey Polis was on fire from the outside at Washington, and it’s as if he has become ash. In all fairness, Dominguez hasn’t given Polis much opportunity to prove himself since then, but the Viks will need all the help they can get, and outside shooting will be essential if the game is going to stay close.
Advantage: Jayhawks

Other players for Kansas who could make a difference: center Cole Aldrich, and guards Conner Teahan and Tyrel Reed.

I think the Viks will play one good half. However, that means the Jayhawks are up by 20 at half, and the Green keep pace with their backups, or that it’s close at the half, and KU pulls away at the end. Either way, this game will be exciting to follow, and hopefully an experience Viking fans will remember as the beginning of something great.
Prediction: Kansas 85-68
 
Greetings Vikings! Congrats on making it to the Big Dance. I think we win this one based upon interior dominance and perimeter defensive pressure, but it will probably be closer than most people expect for a 16-1 game.
 
Hmmm... Coston getting hot and PSU forcing turnovers could make the game interesting. That inside/outside issue is a two-way street.

That is, of course, NOT the way to bet.
 
Thanks for the great write-up, WiViking. Just from what little I've read, Dominguez sounds like the kind of guard who's given us fits on occasion this year and he'll give us trouble Thurs. if he can penetrate.
 
Congrats to all of Portland State, welcome to the Big Dance.
As a KU grad we are glad to have you aboard. It will be a fun time in Omaha.
Not sure if any of you are coming to the game but we would love to know if you have any tickets available. They are hard to find around here.
If you have any and cannot go to the game, just email me [email protected].
Thanks again and congrats for a great year.
Best of Luck
 
Today?

It almost feels like beating a dead horse here, and perhaps I should be more sensitive to the PSU AD for not being in this position before (Chisholm was at Irvine, right? The Anteaters still haven't been to the dance).

That should have been planned and announced by Sunday night, so that more people could attend.

Just saying. I figure there will be a next time, so it's important to know that next time. Too late to bend ears now.
 
Pounder said:
Today?

It almost feels like beating a dead horse here, and perhaps I should be more sensitive to the PSU AD for not being in this position before (Chisholm was at Irvine, right? The Anteaters still haven't been to the dance).

That should have been planned and announced by Sunday night, so that more people could attend.

Just saying. I figure there will be a next time, so it's important to know that next time. Too late to bend ears now.

I think that this is uncharted ground for PSU and nobody in their wildest dream could have even considered such an event at the beginning of the season. Even after it became apparant that PSU was the top team in the BSC, we still could have lost the tourney where any plans made would be all for naught. If this should become a regular occurance for PSU I am sure we will have a better handle on it the next time and have a smoother transition.
 
Pounder said:
Today?

It almost feels like beating a dead horse here, and perhaps I should be more sensitive to the PSU AD for not being in this position before (Chisholm was at Irvine, right? The Anteaters still haven't been to the dance).

That should have been planned and announced by Sunday night, so that more people could attend.

Just saying. I figure there will be a next time, so it's important to know that next time. Too late to bend ears now.

I agree.
I work in downtown Portland and still can't make this, because I just learned about it this morning. A few days noticed and I would have been able to make arrangements to attend. Next time!
 
Pounder said:
Today?

It almost feels like beating a dead horse here, and perhaps I should be more sensitive to the PSU AD for not being in this position before (Chisholm was at Irvine, right? The Anteaters still haven't been to the dance).

That should have been planned and announced by Sunday night, so that more people could attend.

Just saying. I figure there will be a next time, so it's important to know that next time. Too late to bend ears now.

Bone commented on this in an interview on The Fan yesterday. I'm sure I'll butcher this, but here is what I thought he said. PSU was waiting on information from the NCAA with regards to when they would be leaving. For what purpose, I don't know. The deadline for the notification was at noon yesterday, but at the time of the interview (4pm'ish) they had still not heard anything. Combined with two players having finals today, they thought that they would have to charter a plane. He basically just said that they'd be leaving today, but they had no idea as to when.

Had I not heard that yesterday I think I'd be a little up in arms about the late notification on the gathering as well...
 
I just wanted to add, I too congratulate you on a great season and also feel you guys should have been seeded higher. Have a good game (but not too good!) and enjoy the time at the dance. I have family that lives in Milwaukie and have been out there twice years and years ago. Portland is really beautiful. We took trips to Seaside, Canon Beach and then stopped in the cheese factory at Tillamook. That was a lot for a small town Kansas kid. Plan to come out again someday, so be nice to my Jayhawks! Enjoy the Ride!
 
I enjoyed reading WiViking's breakdown.

A few observations. Barring someone breaking a leg in practice or getting sick, Sherron Collins will not start. KU has had the same starting linup since late December.

Darrell Arthur will not spend time at center. He will play forward. He usually draws the easier defensive assignments because he struggles with fouls.

Darnell Jackson and Sasha Kaun will defend PSU's best post players most of the time, but Freshman Cole Aldrich will also contribute well. When Arthur takes a rest, Darnell Jackson usually moves further out and lets Kaun or Aldrich patrol the low paint.

Starters:
Russell Robinson, PG
Mario Chalmers, PG/SG
Darrell Arthur, F
Darnell Jackson PwrF
Brandon Rush G/F

First off the bench:
Sasha Kaun, C
Sherron Collins, PG

Significant minutes off the bench:
Cole Aldrich, C
Roderick Stewart, G/F

Hope this helps.
 

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