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2013 Recruiting: 17 Verbals

Problem with it, yes. Suprised, no. It's called negative recruiting, and while the comments in the article are quotes from the recruit, an intelligent reader can surmise a few things about what the MSU coaching staff told him while he took his visit. Things such as "Oh, Coach Baldwin interviewed with X school, but we're not going anywhere" type of deal. If true, this certainly would not be something EWU would have been advertising during his official visit, so you tell me who planted those ideas where? Every school does this kind of stuff to a certain extent. While the intentions of the article are obvious, to any intelligent reader it makes the author in particular, and MSU in general, look very low-class.
 
It always sucks to lose someone that has already verballed but that happens to everybody and I fully understand Eagle fans being upset. Calling out Colter as a homer or not even a journalist couldn't be farther from the truth and a flat out uninformed response. Saying MSU put his responses in his head has no basis in truth and is purely sour grapes. Last thing is calling MSU "low class" when the basis of this particular recruits views on the Montana State football program and university are exactly the opposite. Not to be a dick but if EWU had a little more class he probably would have stuck with his commitment.
 
catattack said:
It always sucks to lose someone that has already verballed but that happens to everybody and I fully understand Eagle fans being upset. Calling out Colter as a homer or not even a journalist couldn't be farther from the truth and a flat out uninformed response. Saying MSU put his responses in his head has no basis in truth and is purely sour grapes. Last thing is calling MSU "low class" when the basis of this particular recruits views on the Montana State football program and university are exactly the opposite. Not to be a dick but if EWU had a little more class he probably would have stuck with his commitment.
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I agree that this happens everywhere and it's par for the course in the recruiting game. Hell, Adams was originally a PSU commit and we were able to get him to flip, glad we did.

However, I also agree with the premise of Seattle Eagle's post. While there is no way of knowing definitively what the MSU Staff said to this particular recruit, based on his comments in the interview, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that something was said about Baldwin "taking an interview" somewhere. If this is even true, I'll echo the above sentiments - do you think this would have been something our coaching staff would be advertising? You can call it sour grapes, I call it irresponsible journalism and very low class, IMO. You say the author is not a "homer", but the intent of the article is VERY obvious. You would never find something like this published by anyone associated with EWU.

As far as class, don't make me laugh. Baldwin is one of the most highly regarded coaches in FCS. MSU may have a better stadium, and more support from the State, but more Class? Come on, the record doesn't show that.
 
Commits flip all the time. That's why you can't read much into an oral commit unless they've taken all their visits. Good luck to Braun. To the MSU guy who says the Eags need more class, you just lost all credibility in my book. You got one recruit from us and you try to kick us while we're down or something. Well EWU isn't about one recruit and thrives on kids the Montana schools never even contact. (See all of our WR's). Besides a kid doesn't commit to a school if they were classless, right? He must have liked something about us, right? Congrats on getting a flipper but get off your high horse dude. One recruit doesn't get you a national title and a semis appearance in 2 out of 3 years.
 
eaglesfootball said:
sorry, does no one else have a problem with this Colter Nuenaz character's article that paints our university/region in such a negative light? very irresponsible journalism if you ask me, commenting on things like our coaching staff taking interviews which may or may not be true but in the end is nothing more than pure speculation. I know the author is a homer, but this is very irresponsible journalism that I would not expect to come from someone associated with a Big Sky member institution. Very Bush League.
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Colter was fired from some paper in Montana for his comments a couple months ago so I wouldn't take away too much from what he writes...

Kids do jump ship, it happens, but its not like were talking about Joe Montana here. We are pretty strong at LB, if this kid wants to go play in Bozeman, let him. Adams did the same thing with PSU and came here, so did Gall this year, so we have had our share.

And who cares what MSU fans think....we have owned them since joining the Big Sky. They have a nice little run going, good for them, but we have had a much better one, and I'll take EWU any day of the week.
 
Well you guys thought it was pretty cool last summer when Padron said he didn't like the state of Montana, no when a recruit says something negative about your place it is low class and irresponsible :nod: :nod:


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cats2506 said:
Well you guys thought it was pretty cool last summer when Padron said he didn't like the state of Montana, no when a recruit says something negative about your place it is low class and irresponsible :nod: :nod:
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Not at all. Not talking about what the Braun kid said, that was just kind of whatever. The irresponsible part was this guy publishing rumors about a coach interviewing "somewhere" without any factual basis. What don't you get about that?
 
EWURanger said:
cats2506 said:
Well you guys thought it was pretty cool last summer when Padron said he didn't like the state of Montana, no when a recruit says something negative about your place it is low class and irresponsible :nod: :nod:
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Not at all. Not talking about what the Braun kid said, that was just kind of whatever. The irresponsible part was this guy publishing rumors about a coach interviewing "somewhere" with about any factual basis. What don't you get about that?
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Baldwin didn't interview for another HC job this year?


at any rate the rumors are out there, MSU doesn't have to plant them
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EWURanger said:
cats2506 said:
Well you guys thought it was pretty cool last summer when Padron said he didn't like the state of Montana, no when a recruit says something negative about your place it is low class and irresponsible :nod: :nod:
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Not at all. Not talking about what the Braun kid said, that was just kind of whatever. The irresponsible part was this guy publishing rumors about a coach interviewing "somewhere" with about any factual basis. What don't you get about that?
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All of it. Scats10-26 doesn't get much.

Speaking of butthurt, it only took him what, a month and a half to poke his snout around a big sky rivals forum after the Scats' annual running of the pee down the leg? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
eaglesfootball said:
sorry, does no one else have a problem with this Colter Nuenaz character's article that paints our university/region in such a negative light? very irresponsible journalism if you ask me, commenting on things like our coaching staff taking interviews which may or may not be true but in the end is nothing more than pure speculation. I know the author is a homer, but this is very irresponsible journalism that I would not expect to come from someone associated with a Big Sky member institution. Very Bush League.
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Of course Colter is a homer. He writes for the Scat forum because he was fired from the Chronicle and can't get work anywhere else, except of course as an MSU fluffer. :thumb:
 
Let the MSU fans gloat. One recruit does not make or break a class, so why dont we all stop crying about a kid who in all likelyhood would never have seen the field next season anyway and start getting excited about the kids that we have coming back and the ones that are signing on Feb 6th. We have a sensational Qb and a talented offensive line, so the sky is the limit.
 
cats2506 said:
EWURanger said:
cats2506 said:
Well you guys thought it was pretty cool last summer when Padron said he didn't like the state of Montana, no when a recruit says something negative about your place it is low class and irresponsible :nod: :nod:
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Not at all. Not talking about what the Braun kid said, that was just kind of whatever. The irresponsible part was this guy publishing rumors about a coach interviewing "somewhere" with about any factual basis. What don't you get about that?
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Baldwin didn't interview for another HC job this year?


at any rate the rumors are out there, MSU doesn't have to plant them
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Did you even click on the links and read? Of course not, they don't teach reading in Montana. Those articles listed names of potential coaches being floated around by fans, not lists of coaches who had interviewed for a different school. But yeah, I'm sure a HS recruit is scouring the internet reading the Vandals' forum in effort to make the most "educated" decision he can regarding his college playing career. :rofl:

MSU engages in negative recruiting. Fact. :coffee:
 
DefendtheRed said:
Let the MSU fans gloat. One recruit does not make or break a class, so why dont we all stop crying about a kid who in all likelyhood would never have seen the field next season anyway and start getting excited about the kids that we have coming back and the ones that are signing on Feb 6th. We have a sensational Qb and a talented offensive line, so the sky is the limit.
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I don't really see anyone here crying about it, just pointing out to ignorant Scat fans some 5th grade inductive reasoning. :twocents:
 
cats2506 said:
Baldwin didn't interview for another HC job this year?
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Don't believe he interviewed anywhere, and if he did, it wasn't public news. Good for the Cats, hope he does well. EWU will be just fine...
 
marceagfan5 said:
cats2506 said:
Baldwin didn't interview for another HC job this year?
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Don't believe he interviewed anywhere, and if he did, it wasn't public news. Good for the Cats, hope he does well. EWU will be just fine...
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OK I will accept that, I honestly couldn't remember other than his name has bee floated during quite a few coaching searches the last few years.

the fun/frustrating thing about recruiting is that you have almost no idea how they turn out until 2-3 years down the road.
 
I remember reading an article a few weeks back, can't remember if it was written by this Colter guy or not, but it was basically talking about how MSU has displaced Montana in their state as the marquee program. It talked about how MSU has been the winningest program in the Big Sky the past three years by winning 30 games. Only problem is, we've won just as many games in that amount of time (13+6+11) but no mention of that, or the fact that we've won more playoff games and have gone farther than MSU has. So maybe uninformed journalism is just the norm for this guy.
 
Seattle Eagle said:
I remember reading an article a few weeks back, can't remember if it was written by this Colter guy or not, but it was basically talking about how MSU has displaced Montana in their state as the marquee program. It talked about how MSU has been the winningest program in the Big Sky the past three years by winning 30 games. Only problem is, we've won just as many games in that amount of time (13+6+11) but no mention of that, or the fact that we've won more playoff games and have gone farther than MSU has. So maybe uninformed journalism is just the norm for this guy.
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I read that article too, but I believe it was written by Rachac (sp?), so not the same guy. It was an interesting read, but I noticed the same thing you did. MSU is tied with Eastern for the most wins in the last three years, although they have one more Big Sky title than us in that amount of time. Of course, we've also made the semi's or better in 2 of the past 3 years, so...meh.
 
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