Match Ups from around the Big Sky

[WSUfan1]

The NoDaks take the Zags to OT; SUU takes down Central Michigan; while Weber throttles some 0-11 team. Harding fun to watch, the team as a whole? Not so much.

This post is proof that nothing the schedulers could do will ever be good enough. When people start whining about playing Div.1 opponents at home.

Lets be honest. A P-B was nothing more than a D2 school. 0-12, and it was like playing West Coast Baptist all over again. His post just proved that we don't get good teams here.

Was APB 0-11 when the game was scheduled?

People cant whine about wanting more Div.1 teams on the home schedule and then when some are scheduled cry because they arent who they wanted.

Its childish and incredibly petty.

Pretty much. They finished last season 7-25, and on a 7 game lose stretch. Dating to last year, they are on a 19 game losing streak. Rahe knew this when he scheduled them. They have one of the worst rpi's in America. It's not petty or childish, it's facts. No one complains about D1 games, we complain about lack of quality games. Look at the other BSC schools. They are getting PAC-12, WAC, Big West, WCC, Summitt, MW, type teams reguarlary. We get the last places team in the worst D1 basketball. Save a long standing game with USU, Pepperdine is our best home game.. that's sad.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

The NoDaks take the Zags to OT; SUU takes down Central Michigan; while Weber throttles some 0-11 team. Harding fun to watch, the team as a whole? Not so much.

This post is proof that nothing the schedulers could do will ever be good enough. When people start whining about playing Div.1 opponents at home.

Lets be honest. A P-B was nothing more than a D2 school. 0-12, and it was like playing West Coast Baptist all over again. His post just proved that we don't get good teams here.

Was APB 0-11 when the game was scheduled?

People cant whine about wanting more Div.1 teams on the home schedule and then when some are scheduled cry because they arent who they wanted.

Its childish and incredibly petty.

Wait, who's crying anytime acknowledgement is made at the quality of opponents and success some other BSC teams are having against said opponents? I could care less if you think AP-B making an appearance at the DEC is worthy of a career achievement award for "the schedulers." It really doesn't much matter if it's home, away, or neutral site, Weber needs more schedule consistency with quality of opponent. I'm certainly not childish or petty enough to not allow you your opinion without resorting to personal labels and attacks but whatever helps your apparent insecurities.

 

[oldrunner]

The NoDaks take the Zags to OT; SUU takes down Central Michigan; while Weber throttles some 0-11 team. Harding fun to watch, the team as a whole? Not so much.

This post is proof that nothing the schedulers could do will ever be good enough. When people start whining about playing Div.1 opponents at home.

Lets be honest. A P-B was nothing more than a D2 school. 0-12, and it was like playing West Coast Baptist all over again. His post just proved that we don't get good teams here.

Was APB 0-11 when the game was scheduled?

People cant whine about wanting more Div.1 teams on the home schedule and then when some are scheduled cry because they arent who they wanted.

Its childish and incredibly petty.

:+1:
There are a couple of teams in the BSC this year who UAPB would beat. It was an entertaining game against a very athletic team. I thoroughly enjoyed the game.

 

[WSUfan1]

The NoDaks take the Zags to OT; SUU takes down Central Michigan; while Weber throttles some 0-11 team. Harding fun to watch, the team as a whole? Not so much.

This post is proof that nothing the schedulers could do will ever be good enough. When people start whining about playing Div.1 opponents at home.

Lets be honest. A P-B was nothing more than a D2 school. 0-12, and it was like playing West Coast Baptist all over again. His post just proved that we don't get good teams here.

Was APB 0-11 when the game was scheduled?

People cant whine about wanting more Div.1 teams on the home schedule and then when some are scheduled cry because they arent who they wanted.

Its childish and incredibly petty.

:+1:
There are a couple of teams in the BSC this year who UAPB would beat. It was an entertaining game against a very athletic team. I thoroughly enjoyed the game.

Olds, not a chance A-PB beats any BSC team on the road. Zero. They are terrible. They will be lucky to win 5 games this year, against the last ranked conference in all of D1. You enjoyed that game? Pretty sure you said the same thing verse the last non-D1 schools. I don't like to see our starters benched just after half. That's not good for the team, they need quality games and quality opponents. This schedule is far too weak, and doesn't produce rpi gains, ticket sales, "togetherness" and certainly doesn't get the team ready for a pretty good conference slate. It's going to be a long year. The good news however, is that come January 1st at midnight, the team with have, "found their identity and are competing at a high level." However that works every year...

 

[WILDCAT]

The NoDaks take the Zags to OT; SUU takes down Central Michigan; while Weber throttles some 0-11 team. Harding fun to watch, the team as a whole? Not so much.

This post is proof that nothing the schedulers could do will ever be good enough. When people start whining about playing Div.1 opponents at home.

Lets be honest. A P-B was nothing more than a D2 school. 0-12, and it was like playing West Coast Baptist all over again. His post just proved that we don't get good teams here.

Was APB 0-11 when the game was scheduled?

People cant whine about wanting more Div.1 teams on the home schedule and then when some are scheduled cry because they arent who they wanted.

Its childish and incredibly petty.

Pretty much. They finished last season 7-25, and on a 7 game lose stretch. Dating to last year, they are on a 19 game losing streak. Rahe knew this when he scheduled them. They have one of the worst rpi's in America. It's not petty or childish, it's facts. No one complains about D1 games, we complain about lack of quality games. Look at the other BSC schools. They are getting PAC-12, WAC, Big West, WCC, Summitt, MW, type teams reguarlary. We get the last places team in the worst D1 basketball. Save a long standing game with USU, Pepperdine is our best home game.. that's sad.

Uh....so does Weber....

We played home to a WAC and Summit team last year, we play a Mountain West and WCC team at home this year, and will play a WCC, WAC and (if our home game with Fresno is next year) a Mountain West School at home next year. Also we have a home game scheduled against Wyoming (Mountain West) in the near future so........


Here is the Div.1 home slate for each of the other Big Sky teams

Eastern Washington- Cal State Northridge
Idaho- Sam Houston and Washington State
Idaho State- Utah Valley, Cal St N.Ridge, Youngstown State
Montana- Cal St N.Ridge, UC Riverside, UC Irvine
Montana State- Omaha, UCSB, Denver
North Dakota- Utah Valley, North Dakota State
Northern Arizona- South Dakota
Northern Colorado- UC Davis, Denver
Portland State- Utah State
Sacramento State- Cal St N.Ridge, UCSB
Southern Utah- San Jose State, Long Beach St, C.Michigan

I see absolutely nothing there to be even the slightest bit jealous of.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Through 12/17 (D1 Only)

Overall 38-63 (.376)
Home 13-6 (.684)
Road 11-43 (.203)
Neutral 14-14 (.500)
ATS 55-35-1 (.611)


Road Wins (11)

PSU @ Portland
UM @ Pittsburgh
EWU @ Stanford
UNC @ Pepperdine
PSU @ UC Riverside
SUU @ Pepperdine
MSU @ Milwaukee
NAU @ CS Bakersfield
Idaho @ Nicholls
PSU @ Loyola Marymount
PSU @ Santa Clara

 

[SWeberCat02]

Conference teams have beat the spread in seven straight games.

PSU 9-0 ATS
SUU 8-0 ATS

 

[n.ogdencat]

To me, getting UAPB to come to the Dee is a milestone for Weber. The program was actually able to buy a DI game. Never in the history of the program has Weber gotten a guaranteed home DI game. That to me says something. Unfortunately, Weber spent $80K on the game, but made nothing back from the game that was bought. Most schools, when they buy games, make money off of the guarantee. We spent money to get them here and then spent more to play the game. In the end, we were definitely in the red on that one. As long as our AD is fine with inept marketing -that is virtually every game anyway- whenever we do something like this, then that will end up being the experience for the program and department (good marketing is a key to keeping our football coach too, just saying). A functioning program needs to find ways to generate revenue and build fan bases. BUT...UAPB is a DI game. At the end of the day, that is important.

As Wildcat mentioned, there are three DI games this year on the schedule. And, next year, the Cats will have UVU, BYU, and Fresno at home (3 more, maybe more; hopefully another guarantee game), but I'm sure we will find a way to bitch and moan about that schedule too. I'll probably be leading the parade. I get it though. It isn't so much the DI games, but the non-NAIA teams we invite to the Dee each year. But here is the thing, everyone does it at our level. It is how they get home games. Look at some of the teams playing Big Sky schools? I wish West Coast Baptist was the worst. To me, I wouldn't schedule any team lower than DIII and I would try to get close teams (cut costs). I just don't see how NAIA or lower, teams help the team progress.

 

[SWeberCat02]

The conference ended the 2016-17 season ranked 28th in RPI. As of 12/18, it's ranked 18th.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Good night for the conference. Idaho went on the road and destroyed W Mich by 30. Idaho was a 5 pt dog. Idaho St beats up Youngstown St at home by 24. And Montana St beats Denver at home by 14. All three beat the spread. But, NAU continues to suck. They lose by 14 at South Florida and don't beat the spread, which was 8. Overall 3-1, with an impressive road win, and 3-1 ATS.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Through 12/18 (D1 Only)

Overall 41-64 (.390)
Home 15-6 (.714)
Road 12-44 (.214)
Neutral 14-14 (.500)
ATS 58-36-1 (.617)


Road Wins (12)

PSU @ Portland
UM @ Pittsburgh
EWU @ Stanford
UNC @ Pepperdine
PSU @ UC Riverside
SUU @ Pepperdine
MSU @ Milwaukee
NAU @ CS Bakersfield
Idaho @ Nicholls
PSU @ Loyola Marymount
PSU @ Santa Clara
Idaho @ W Michigan

 

[n.ogdencat]

Since Randy was hired, Weber has averaged 9.16 DI OOC games per year (I didn't add post-season or bracket buster games, since he did not schedule those) scheduled by his staff. Out of the 9.16, he has averaged 3 DI home games and 2 DI neutral games, which leaves an average of 4 DI road games per year. He has also averaged 3 beats per year at home. Since the Sky added SUU, and Utah became too good to play us, our average has dropped by 2 DI games per year. Under Cravens, the average was 11.5 DI games per year, but he played Utah every year he was coach, UVU 4 times, and SUU each year since they were not part of the Sky. In other words, in regards to DI games, not much has chanced over 20 years. Instead of UAPB, we played Elon.

There is good news, since our AD and Coach are willing to try some new things such as, playing in a tournament and a classic each year, playing 2 for 1, the traditional home and home, and also buying guaranteed games; the schedule is improving somewhat. If, Randy can buy another game next year, that will give us: BYU, UVU, Fresno, guarantee all at home, with the possibility of another home DI front end of a home and home. 5 DI games would be pretty remarkable. The last time the Cats hosted 5 home DI games was the 05-06 season (Utah, UVU, Boise, USU, and SUU).

 

[Webergrad02]

I think you have to look at both sides of the schedule:

The Good:
*We pick or are picked for decent pre-season tournaments each year. We haven't done any of the tournaments where they have the good bracket and the crap bracket. Plus they have been for the most part in desirable locations.

* We are starting to think outside the box. The 2-1 with Fresno and the talk of playing football games with return basketball visits.

* Keeping the spot in the Beehive Classic is huge. We need to do everything we can to keep this spot at the table. Our attendance at the event was pretty small but the other schools did not do much better.

The Bad
* I swear Randy schedules predicting to come into conference with a certain amount of losses. We really should have at least one road game against a P5 school each year. Our road schedule is pretty weak. Our pre-season tournaments have been all mid-majors so to play really good teams we are going to have to go on the road.

* We should play ONE non D1 team per year PERIOD! I don't believe they do much for the growth of the team. Three is just way too many. I know that the goal is to provide ticket holders with 15 home games per year. But if 3 of them are absolute garbage, you are doing nothing for your team, fans and sponsors.

* Paying $80,000 to host one of the worst teams in D1 was crazy! I am fine with playing AKPB but $80,000 is a lot when there was around 3,000 people there. And we don't have a payday from a guarantee game this season.

Everyone in the Big Sky has worse or similar non-conference home schedules(SUU probably has the best home slate but it is close). It is the road schedules where we are falling behind. There are 3 or 4 teams in this league that have really tested themselves so far this year. Olds and Wildcat can downplay the competition that our conference mates have faced all that they want. Statistics don't lie and jumping up 10 conferences in RPI on a year over year analysis is pretty dam impressive. If had to rank where we are in relation to our conference right now, I would put us in the 7-9 range. With talent we have, we should be higher.

By the way, Olds if Gonzaga finishes worse than second in the WCC, I will buy you a steak and lobster dinner. They might be a little down but not by much. North Dakota taking them to OT at the Kennel was impressive.

 

[SWeberCat02]

:dead: My biggest issue with the schedule is the three non-D1 games. Every conference team plays at least two of these, but Weber is one of only three that plays three. That's completely unacceptable. What season ticket holder could see this as acceptable? And why would I ever pay to watch such garbage games? We all know getting home games is next to impossible, but I think going on the road is a much better option than playing any of these games, much less three.

 

[weberwildcat]

i really hate playing non's. i wish it wasn't allowed.

 

[SWeberCat02]

i really hate playing non's. i wish it wasn't allowed.

Or make them not count on a team's record, unless they're played at a tournament like Anchorage or Chaminade. That would stop most of them. It's misleading. I don't consider a 6-3 team with 3 non-D1 wins as a 6-3 team. They're 3-3.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Conference goes 4-1 on the night.

Good win by UNC going on the road and beating Wyoming 91-84. Their second road win of the season. Wyo was a 9.5 pt fav and UNC has now covered or pushed in 7 straight games.

SUU does not cover the spread for the first time in losing at Iowa 64-92.

 

[SWeberCat02]

NAU gets the conference's 14th road win, beating Jacksonville 83-72. A bad NAU team has two more roads wins than Weber. Conference is 13-3 overall over past 16 games.

Through 12/20 (D1 Only)

Overall 46-65 (.414)
Home 18-6 (.750)
Road 14-45 (.237)
Neutral 14-14 (.500)
ATS 60-38-2 (.612)


Road Wins (14)

PSU @ Portland
UM @ Pittsburgh
EWU @ Stanford
UNC @ Pepperdine
PSU @ UC Riverside
SUU @ Pepperdine
MSU @ Milwaukee
NAU @ CS Bakersfield
Idaho @ Nicholls
PSU @ Loyola Marymount
PSU @ Santa Clara
Idaho @ W Michigan
UNC @ Wyoming
NAU @ Jacksonville

 

[SWeberCat02]

Bad night going 1-4, with bad losses by MSU at Omaha and Idaho to Irvine in Boise. Only win was a really good one by PSU, who beat Cal on the road by 25.

Through 12/21 (D1 Only)

Overall 47-69 (.405)
Home 18-6 (.750)
Road 15-47 (.241)
Neutral 14-16 (.466)
ATS 62-41-2 (.601)


Road Wins (15)

PSU @ Portland
UM @ Pittsburgh
EWU @ Stanford
UNC @ Pepperdine
PSU @ UC Riverside
SUU @ Pepperdine
MSU @ Milwaukee
NAU @ CS Bakersfield
Idaho @ Nicholls
PSU @ Loyola Marymount
PSU @ Santa Clara
Idaho @ W Michigan
UNC @ Wyoming
NAU @ Jacksonville
PSU @ California

 

[Webergrad02]

5 wins against P-5 schools. Montana will try for #6 tonight @ Washington.
Looks like we did some damage against the WCC.