In terms of new coaching I think there needs to be a person who can coach first of all. He needs to be able to have a relationship with the players who are staying on the team, (unless they all are expected to leave), a person who can recruit where ever that may be. I think it is time to get some real talent on the team along with people who can devlope over time. Also, I think with the standing in the NCAA, Sac State needs a coach who can get players to graduate but also play basketball. Jerome got credit for doing that but I think it was really the assistant coaches who carried the weight on that one. If not look what happened after they all left this year. Four people gone because of grades. Jared Barrett is a great choice who knows the DI system, has the experience, can bring accoutablity and respect to the team again. I also know the players respect him and he can bring supports/bosters to the program. I think just because he was under Jenkins doesn't mean he is like Jenkins.
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New Head Coach?
- Thread starter Kadeezy
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OldHornet
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With all this Barrett talk - have you guys lost your mind? Coaches, like players, need to be developed - they need someone to teach them the methods needed to succeed. For that reason Barrett is not ready to take on this job. Any Barrett supporter please answer these questions:
1. Which coach taught him the appropriate way to develop a game strategy?
2. What coach taught him how to make game time adjustments?
3. Which coach taught him how to interact with the community - to deal with boosters?
4. What coach taught him how to win a conference title?
5. Which coach taught him how to instill discipline into a player or team?
6. Which coach gave him credibilty when talking to a recruit?
I'm Barrett is a solid guy, and maybe even a solid Asst. Coach, but he's not what the program needs. We need proven substance. Until we know the list of candidates it's impossible to say who the best choice would be, but I firmly believe we need a proven head coach (regardless of level - just proven). At this point the only two names mentioned that have that are Katz and Cravens.
1. Which coach taught him the appropriate way to develop a game strategy?
2. What coach taught him how to make game time adjustments?
3. Which coach taught him how to interact with the community - to deal with boosters?
4. What coach taught him how to win a conference title?
5. Which coach taught him how to instill discipline into a player or team?
6. Which coach gave him credibilty when talking to a recruit?
I'm Barrett is a solid guy, and maybe even a solid Asst. Coach, but he's not what the program needs. We need proven substance. Until we know the list of candidates it's impossible to say who the best choice would be, but I firmly believe we need a proven head coach (regardless of level - just proven). At this point the only two names mentioned that have that are Katz and Cravens.
ICanGrabRim
Member
OldHornet,
If you were as close to the program as I am, you would know that Barrett is nothing like Jenkins. If you got the chance to talk to him for just 5 minutes and observed how he interacts with players, recruits, and boosters, you would know he would be a great candidate. He can COACH and LEAD this team. I'm just saying he has to be considered one of the top candidates.
I actually heard from Dr. Wanless this morning. He said that more than FORTY applications have been turned in for the Head Coach opening. I would expect the list to be narrowed down by the end of March.
If you were as close to the program as I am, you would know that Barrett is nothing like Jenkins. If you got the chance to talk to him for just 5 minutes and observed how he interacts with players, recruits, and boosters, you would know he would be a great candidate. He can COACH and LEAD this team. I'm just saying he has to be considered one of the top candidates.
I actually heard from Dr. Wanless this morning. He said that more than FORTY applications have been turned in for the Head Coach opening. I would expect the list to be narrowed down by the end of March.
OldHornet
Active member
You don't have to be "close" to the program to understand basketball, and the overall tools needed to succeed. Someone please give me a good example of where you have a "failing business" unit - you promote a "junior level person" - and that person turns things around? It doesn't happen - in business or in basketball. Barrett can have all the tools, but he needs someone to sharpen those tools before he's ready to do it on his own! If there are 40+ applications thus far - I'm sure there will be multiple people more qualified that Barrett. BTW, if he's so good why can't he get a better asst job than under Jenkins or at UVSU?
Hire someone with experience, but is still hungry. Look at Portland St - same facilities and now they're in the tourney!! They made a very smart hire as coach - someone with tremendous success as a HC - at DII Seattle Pacific. He knew how to recruit - had contacts - experienced leadership. As I've stated previously I think the best hire for Sac will be a HC that still has a hunger to succeed - not a retread or someone to junior.
Hire someone with experience, but is still hungry. Look at Portland St - same facilities and now they're in the tourney!! They made a very smart hire as coach - someone with tremendous success as a HC - at DII Seattle Pacific. He knew how to recruit - had contacts - experienced leadership. As I've stated previously I think the best hire for Sac will be a HC that still has a hunger to succeed - not a retread or someone to junior.
Kadeezy
Active member
"Someone please give me a good example of where you have a "failing business" unit - you promote a "junior level person" - and that person turns things around?"
Um, have you ever heard of "The Office"? Barrett is Ryan.
Just jokin'. I would love to see Barrett back on the bench at CSUS, however, I'm thinking that Cravens is the most qualified and Katz could be a diamond in the rough.
Um, have you ever heard of "The Office"? Barrett is Ryan.
Just jokin'. I would love to see Barrett back on the bench at CSUS, however, I'm thinking that Cravens is the most qualified and Katz could be a diamond in the rough.
"Someone please give me a good example of where you have a "failing business" unit - you promote a "junior level person" - and that person turns things around?"
Jenkins was a huge improvement over Coach T. Jenkins has plenty of faults but at least we had a window where things were better and were not a national joke.
Jenkins was a huge improvement over Coach T. Jenkins has plenty of faults but at least we had a window where things were better and were not a national joke.
bluefin456
Member
Old Hornet may be old but also wise (I have no idea as to this caped crusaders real identity, btw). And I don't know Barrett or probably most of the 40 who have submitted resumes. But I DO have vision for the program. It's to be a winning one that's on track for post season tournament berths. Successful programs are remembered for post season accomplishments--and we ain't even close to getting there. If I were making the selection, I'd pick the person most capable of getting the program THERE within 3-5 years, given the rather obvious limitations the program has currently.
Katz remains the obvious if not consensus choice. I venture to say most high school and communty college coaches in this region would agree, and they immediately become a significant part of the recruiting picture. Sac State isn't getting serious consideration by the best kids in our own back yard, and there are lots of them...where are the studs going from Sac High, El Camino, Rocklin, Folsom, Rio, etc, etc. The turnaround needs to start here.
Katz remains the obvious if not consensus choice. I venture to say most high school and communty college coaches in this region would agree, and they immediately become a significant part of the recruiting picture. Sac State isn't getting serious consideration by the best kids in our own back yard, and there are lots of them...where are the studs going from Sac High, El Camino, Rocklin, Folsom, Rio, etc, etc. The turnaround needs to start here.
OldHornet
Active member
4-24 is not a joke? Guys- it's time to raise our levels of expectation and accountability!! Bottom line is Jenkins failed - career losing record and no titles equals failure. Time to expect success, expect people to deliver and find someone who has the credentials to deliver that. Barrett doesn't have that.
I never stated that 4-24 is acceptable. I simply replied to your statement that an underling cannot improve a situation if they have been exposed to bad management. Like it or not, the basketball program improved for a period of time under Jenkins. The program has always been a dissapointment but there was a window when there was some excitement.
bluefin456 said:
I wouldn't say that at all.
superhornet
Active member
Personally, I'd like to see Sac take the Delta Double Dip by hiring both Katz and WBB coach Gina Johnson. She's been at Delta about as long as Katz, and ALWAYS has the Mustangs in the state tournament. I believe that they did some serious damage this year as well.
If anyone on here has seen brian katz coach a basketball game, they would want to have him lead the hornets. Another thing you have to consider is that Katz is from sac and will put his whole heart into turning the program around! The players that he has coached graduate, i do not know the exact rate but i assure you it is very high, and they go on to live productive lives, kats does not recruit knuckelheads, and will get the most out of every player on his roster, his players will run through a wall for the man, i believe when the ad interviews him, he will see the same things and hire katz, and hornet basketball will turn for the better immediatly!!
antngtown said:
Can he start on Monday?
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Sounds to me like Coaches Craven, Katz, and Barrett are legitimate and realistic candidates. Given the pay level it'll be very hard to get a big name of some sort. I will throw in Coach David Grace who was an assistant coach last year and recruited Vinnie McGhee and still has a very good relationship with the players.
He has extensive local recruiting connections as well as in SF and LA since he coached the Compton Magic and has been at USF. He's also very well connected in Arizona and close to Lute Olson having coached some of the current Wildcats. Grace is as high energy and 24/7 as you can get at the D1 level and that's what it takes to build a program.
The other unique thing about him is that he's a late bloomer with 20 years experience in the military so he knows how to build community support in this kind of big city environment and he has a ton of mature leadership experience under his belt. He had about 10 years of coaching experience at the HS level at a legendary program and won a big school state championship in a hotbed of talent in Phoenix so he knows how to win and is a great teacher of the game.
When you throw in his East Coast connections since he grew up in Baltimore, Maryland and his international ties through the military and living all over the world I don't believe anybody can outrecruit him either locally, nationally, or even internationally. He's very tough, very hungry, and as highly motivated as they come. He is exactly what the doctor ordered for Sac State and brings several new dimensions the other realistic candidates so far don't have.
He has extensive local recruiting connections as well as in SF and LA since he coached the Compton Magic and has been at USF. He's also very well connected in Arizona and close to Lute Olson having coached some of the current Wildcats. Grace is as high energy and 24/7 as you can get at the D1 level and that's what it takes to build a program.
The other unique thing about him is that he's a late bloomer with 20 years experience in the military so he knows how to build community support in this kind of big city environment and he has a ton of mature leadership experience under his belt. He had about 10 years of coaching experience at the HS level at a legendary program and won a big school state championship in a hotbed of talent in Phoenix so he knows how to win and is a great teacher of the game.
When you throw in his East Coast connections since he grew up in Baltimore, Maryland and his international ties through the military and living all over the world I don't believe anybody can outrecruit him either locally, nationally, or even internationally. He's very tough, very hungry, and as highly motivated as they come. He is exactly what the doctor ordered for Sac State and brings several new dimensions the other realistic candidates so far don't have.
Kadeezy
Active member
The Mayor,
I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more. Grace is an all around nice guy and most certainly a dedicated coach, but he's majorly, LOW key and has even less quality experience than Barrett. I met him on a couple occasions and in my humble opinion I would describe him as a loyal, nice guy who's basketball knowledge leaves something to be desired...
I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more. Grace is an all around nice guy and most certainly a dedicated coach, but he's majorly, LOW key and has even less quality experience than Barrett. I met him on a couple occasions and in my humble opinion I would describe him as a loyal, nice guy who's basketball knowledge leaves something to be desired...
Low key? I've never heard anybody describe him that way. If you talked to him while he was an assistant coach off the court then maybe he came off that way but he's as high octane as they come with a motor that never quits when coaching and as good as they come at closing once he homes in on the trail of a prized recruit. Ask Vinnie McGhee.
Why else would Lute Olson be personally recommending him which is what I heard? Grace comes from an East Coast basketball family and knows the game inside out so I don't get the knowledge reference either. He's been living and breathing the game for a long time. At over 40 he doesn't need any more leadership experience. He's in his prime right now and ready to take over.
Why else would Lute Olson be personally recommending him which is what I heard? Grace comes from an East Coast basketball family and knows the game inside out so I don't get the knowledge reference either. He's been living and breathing the game for a long time. At over 40 he doesn't need any more leadership experience. He's in his prime right now and ready to take over.
OldHornet
Active member
Grace or Barrett? You guys have officially lost your minds if you think one of those guys should get the job!!!! They simply don't have the qualifications to get the program to where it needs to be. Are you really looking to repair the program or put in someone you met who was nice to you once or twice? It's time you go to myspace or any other site that allows morons to post - but stop posting your non-sense here. If you want to add to the conversation then add some substance not this BS about the qualifications of guys who could only get jobs working for Jenkins!!
If these are the expectations you have for the program - go over to the **** pile, they seem to love BS.
If these are the expectations you have for the program - go over to the **** pile, they seem to love BS.
Big time qualifications? You must be talking about the Indiana job! LOL The average Pac 10 assistant makes well over $100K a year not counting the per diem, travel budgets, and other niceties. Forget about them they won't even consider it. A former Big Sky Head Coach with a lot of years in a successful program? $150K and up easy. The lowly USF job? $250K and up. This is Sac State so get serious!
Even if they match football it'll only be about $120K. Nobody is leaving a Pac10 program or turning down a more established Big Sky-like or WCC school anywhere to come here. There are several of those jobs that just opened up. That doesn't help either.
How many so-called "qualifications" at the D1 level did Jenkins have when he started here at just over 30? Answer: Two years as an Assistant at Eastern Wash. He then spent 8 years learning how to be a leader and trying to build the program up before he burned out last year and his staff fled. Now he's 40 and "a man" but he's had enough. Both Barrett and Grace are already "men" and have more leadership experience, by far, than Jenkins did when he first started here.
In both cases the fact that they know the area and the school are huge advantages. They know exactly what they will be getting into and what needs to be done. They can hit the ground running. A brand new guy coming in fresh will be lost for six months. Sorry but that's time the program simply cannot afford.
Another case in point is St. Marys. How many so called "qualifications" did Coach Bennett have when he took the Saint Marys job at about 37 years old. Answer: a few years as an assitant at D1 powerhouses such as San Diego, then Pepperdine, and then he ended up at St. Louis Univ. before he took that job. Bennett is now rumored to be next up for heading a Pac 10 program. Again the fact he had already coached in their league was an adavantage for him.
So much for "qualifications" on paper. Any good AD worth his salt will judge a big hire not just by his experience and career trajectory but also by his fit with the program and his true abilities as a coach and a community leader, not to mention the gas he has left in the tank for an uphill battle. This will be a marathon for the next coach not a sprint. It takes an astute administrator to figure out the difference between a paper tiger with a name who's at the end of the line and a coach who has the motivation to take things to the next level over the next five years.
Even if they match football it'll only be about $120K. Nobody is leaving a Pac10 program or turning down a more established Big Sky-like or WCC school anywhere to come here. There are several of those jobs that just opened up. That doesn't help either.
How many so-called "qualifications" at the D1 level did Jenkins have when he started here at just over 30? Answer: Two years as an Assistant at Eastern Wash. He then spent 8 years learning how to be a leader and trying to build the program up before he burned out last year and his staff fled. Now he's 40 and "a man" but he's had enough. Both Barrett and Grace are already "men" and have more leadership experience, by far, than Jenkins did when he first started here.
In both cases the fact that they know the area and the school are huge advantages. They know exactly what they will be getting into and what needs to be done. They can hit the ground running. A brand new guy coming in fresh will be lost for six months. Sorry but that's time the program simply cannot afford.
Another case in point is St. Marys. How many so called "qualifications" did Coach Bennett have when he took the Saint Marys job at about 37 years old. Answer: a few years as an assitant at D1 powerhouses such as San Diego, then Pepperdine, and then he ended up at St. Louis Univ. before he took that job. Bennett is now rumored to be next up for heading a Pac 10 program. Again the fact he had already coached in their league was an adavantage for him.
So much for "qualifications" on paper. Any good AD worth his salt will judge a big hire not just by his experience and career trajectory but also by his fit with the program and his true abilities as a coach and a community leader, not to mention the gas he has left in the tank for an uphill battle. This will be a marathon for the next coach not a sprint. It takes an astute administrator to figure out the difference between a paper tiger with a name who's at the end of the line and a coach who has the motivation to take things to the next level over the next five years.
