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Rumor- Collins is staying

At the FCS level, 12 head coaching positions have come open and two have been filled as of Nov. 28.

School 2014 Coach 2015 Coach
Alabama State Reggie Barlow
Florida A&M Earl Holmes
Penn Al Bagnoli
Prairie View A&M Heishma Northern
Missouri State Terry Allen
Montana Mick Delaney
Nicholls State (LA) Charlie Stubbs Tim Rebowe
Norfolk State (VA) Pete Adrian
Portland State Nigel Burton
VMI Sparky Woods
Wagner (NY) Walt Hameline Jason Houghtaling
Youngstown State Eric Wolford
 
That's an absolutely ridiculous hypothetical question. Neither possibility is acceptable and neither situation actually mirrors the current situation. Not to mention your preferred choice would not make for a program that is sustainable at the D1 level or even the D2 level.
 
Godeev said:
Seems to me losing has been sustainable for the last ten years. College athletics is not only about winning. Would it be nice? Yeah, but this team has been horrible for what 10 years? Seems to be rather sustainable. And obviously the second is not only except able, but proffered since Collins has been hired. That is a ridiculous statement for you to assume you have any idea what is sustainable on a D1 or D2 level, what are you? A professional D1 and D2 sustainability expert? So it is sustainable on all other levels, old wise one? Please teach us your ways of sustainability...

All I am saying is if everything else is relatively going well but the team sucks, maybe that is okay. If everything is falling apart and the sky is falling like many of you posters claim, then why would any self respecting AD or school official let it continue? There has to be a logical reason other than "The AD sucks and is scared." "The School officials don't know what they are doing" "wah our sorry ass football team keeps losing and no one will cater to us crying about it."
Could it be possible that no one other than the 15 people on this fan page actually gives a damn what the football team, any other sports team, or this school in the middle of the worst smelling place on the planet does? I think the Coach, AD, or school officials are just as interested or supportive of as the handful of students who post on this page. The school has 12,000 students and maybe 20 of them ever come on the school sports blog. For Christ sake, the volleyball team just won the Big Sky, you would think there would be a parade down mains street, and a cry throughout the land so the team would see the true appreciation from the community, the students, or the staff, but no, it is business as usual and a couple of mentions here and there... This school has no desire to be elite and you all will spend the next ten years crying about it. Get over it, the coach is staying, the football team will continue to be horrible, and no amount of you 15 parents and former players picketing, crying, writing letters, or not sending your $50 a year in booster money is going to change that. Football in Greeley is a losing culture.
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But seriously, Godeev, there is a way to be good and not have the team trying to murder everyone else and sell drugs or whatever you think good football brings. From your post, we might as well shut down the board and the football program. I'm not even sure where your anger is directed at or to. It's possible to have good graduation rates and good character kids while being successful. If we don't think that is possible, let's pack it up- there is no reason to have a football program if we are willing to put a bad product on the field and not care. Also please step off your soapbox, your indignant rage is pointless.
 
SLenz44 said:
But seriously, Godeev, there is a way to be good and not have the team trying to murder everyone else and sell drugs or whatever you think good football brings. From your post, we might as well shut down the board and the football program. I'm not even sure where your anger is directed at or to. It's possible to have good graduation rates and good character kids while being successful. If we don't think that is possible, let's pack it up- there is no reason to have a football program if we are willing to put a bad product on the field and not care. Also please step off your soapbox, your indignant rage is pointless.
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I understand it is possible and desired to have both, most schools have that. I don't understand why the school would allow and extend someone who does not give them that. There has to be a logical reason.
 
beardevil39 said:
Sorry Godeev but that was the most pathetic post I have ever read on this forum !! The only losing culture is you !
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Yes, you are correct, I am the only losing culture...
 
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I am truly salty. I am also angry that a school would allow this for a group of student athletes without any rhyme or reason to it. It doesn't make any sense, but there has to be a logical explanation.
 
SLenz44 said:
But seriously, Godeev, there is a way to be good and not have the team trying to murder everyone else and sell drugs or whatever you think good football brings. From your post, we might as well shut down the board and the football program. I'm not even sure where your anger is directed at or to. It's possible to have good graduation rates and good character kids while being successful. If we don't think that is possible, let's pack it up- there is no reason to have a football program if we are willing to put a bad product on the field and not care. Also please step off your soapbox, your indignant rage is pointless.
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The point I was attempting to make but obviously was not able to properly explain is that maybe people in charge see something we don't. Maybe all other things outside of football are doing great and that is why they are keeping this coach. Anything outside of that just doesn't add up and certainly does not warrant an extension.

I asked myself, if all things are going right off the field, would I rather have that or what could possibly come about by taking the chance of changing the coaching staff. Not that it definitely would happen, but maybe that is their logic?
 
Godeev said:
SLenz44 said:
But seriously, Godeev, there is a way to be good and not have the team trying to murder everyone else and sell drugs or whatever you think good football brings. From your post, we might as well shut down the board and the football program. I'm not even sure where your anger is directed at or to. It's possible to have good graduation rates and good character kids while being successful. If we don't think that is possible, let's pack it up- there is no reason to have a football program if we are willing to put a bad product on the field and not care. Also please step off your soapbox, your indignant rage is pointless.
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The point I was attempting to make but obviously was not able to properly explain is that maybe people in charge see something we don't. Maybe all other things outside of football are doing great and that is why they are keeping this coach. Anything outside of that just doesn't add up and certainly does not warrant an extension.

I asked myself, if all things are going right off the field, would I rather have that or what could possibly come about by taking the chance of changing the coaching staff. Not that it definitely would happen, but maybe that is their logic?
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It depends where you set the bar. Have any of our players stabbed one another lately? Nope. In he end, it's the coaches job to win football games while keeping the players in good academic standing. I don't think anyone can argue that he deserves to be here based on winning. Say winning is half of his job rating criteria, I don't think any of us would have jobs if we were only successful at half of our jobs. I certainly would have been fired by now.
 
Godeev, you finally made sense in your last post but I agree with Brian, you just can't keep your job by by completing only one half of your assignments. We cannot settle for the mediocrity that has settled in with this program and I for one am going to keep beating the horse till it comes alive!
 
beardevil39 said:
Godeev, you finally made sense in your last post but I agree with Brian, you just can't keep your job by by completing only one half of your assignments. We cannot settle for the mediocrity that has settled in with this program and I for one am going to keep beating the horse till it comes alive!
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So how does Collins keep his job? It doesn't add up. What am I missing, why does he still have a job after his current record? There must be a logic explanation.
 
Godeev said:
beardevil39 said:
Godeev, you finally made sense in your last post but I agree with Brian, you just can't keep your job by by completing only one half of your assignments. We cannot settle for the mediocrity that has settled in with this program and I for one am going to keep beating the horse till it comes alive!
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So how does Collins keep his job? It doesn't add up. What am I missing, why does he still have a job after his current record? There must be a logic explanation.
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No one is willing to write the check like they are doing at UNLV.

UNLV: Head coach Bobby Hauck has resigned, effective Monday. Their final game is Saturday night against Nevada. He will receive a one-time payment of $400,000 in connection with his exit. Hauck had two years remaining on his contract.
 
cvBearfan said:
Godeev said:
beardevil39 said:
Godeev, you finally made sense in your last post but I agree with Brian, you just can't keep your job by by completing only one half of your assignments. We cannot settle for the mediocrity that has settled in with this program and I for one am going to keep beating the horse till it comes alive!
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So how does Collins keep his job? It doesn't add up. What am I missing, why does he still have a job after his current record? There must be a logic explanation.
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No one is willing to write the check like they are doing at UNLV.

UNLV: Head coach Bobby Hauck has resigned, effective Monday. Their final game is Saturday night against Nevada. He will receive a one-time payment of $400,000 in connection with his exit. Hauck had two years remaining on his contract.
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Or it could be the opposite. Someone with money wants him around. I know Vince Jackson is a huge Earnest Collins fan. Just something to think about.
 
You would have to bring up the Vincent Jackson connection but this is business and I think you have to take the friendship equation out of it ! Easier said than done
 
He's not fired because standards are very, very, low... that and I don't think Dunn has the onions for it, he seems like a bureucratic yes man to me and probably has marching orders to not change anything... it's that Monfort influence, you know the guy that's the worst owner in MLB. :roll:
 
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