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Rumor- Collins is staying
- Thread starter 303Bear
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Footballfan15 said:
My 3 issues:
1. I think the poor performance on the field is worth sacking Collins over (regardless of what is happening behind the scenes).
2. There is no truth on a message board - Even if say, 3 players log on and say all sorts of bad stuff is happening (without being specific), it really doesn't mean anything. There are what, 60 or so players involved in the program at any given time. Of course there are always going to be a handful that bitch and moan about something. For us outsiders, we have no real objective way to filter a few internet ramblings and determine what is true and what isn't.
3. Can't we all just get along? I am getting tired of people bashing each other on this board and it's clear that some people hate coach Collins as a person. I don't think it's fair to bash him as a person from behind a screen name without specifics backed up by evidence. And one disenfranchised players moaning isn't evidence. I am sure there are still players on the team that are loyal to coach Collins as a coach and person and want him to stay. Are their feelings any more or less valid than those players that want him out? I don't think we have to sink that low when there is enough horrific data from the box score to keep us busy bitching about the plight of the team for a decade.
LaughingBear
Member
SLenz -- have you ever heard where there's smoke there's fire?
Beardown -- I appreciate where you are coming from, but the last kid who openly discussed frustration with Collins got sent packing?
To the people involved in the program, understand what you control, work hard, and be the man at what you do. Fight the impulse to bitch and moan as ultimately it will create a toxic and devisive environment -- even if it's completely justified.
Beardown -- I appreciate where you are coming from, but the last kid who openly discussed frustration with Collins got sent packing?
To the people involved in the program, understand what you control, work hard, and be the man at what you do. Fight the impulse to bitch and moan as ultimately it will create a toxic and devisive environment -- even if it's completely justified.
beardevil39
Active member
Jeezes, it is beginning to sound like this board needs a couch session with a psychiatrist !! We are delving way to deep into peoples minds and trying to justify this, that and the other ! The bottom line is that this is not about Ernest Collins the person, this is about Ernest Collins the coach and sorry but he has failed as the HC and should be let go. Coaches get cut loose all the time for better results than Collins has achieved. Some get axed in mid season and are not allowed to ride the bus back home. Sadly this decision is going to haunt us for awhile and as a fan and booster this is going to hurt this programs pocketbook (at least my pocketbook ), recruiting, and psyche for years.
Footballfan15
Active member
When Coach Collins "the person" walks past a kid and kicks him off the team and doesn't do it in his office, that's where I question his intergrity. Then goes to the trib and falsifies what happened, idk guys idk... :tothehand:
Footballfan15
Active member
But the real question is is what other options do we have . What about Kubiak? I know he was a canidiate a couple years back.
beardevil39
Active member
If that is how he handled it for sure, Then I totally agree with you !!. I would have lost respect for him. I would just want to know for sureFootballfan15 said:
bearsradio
Active member
I'm only weighing in to confirm that Collins DID meet with the player in his office, contrary to what the family told Sam. "We've got to have that story changed" phone calls were placed by the family to certain athletic administrators before the call to the Trib. I have that from multiple sources.
Footballfan15
Active member
bearsradio said:
I understand, but the first confrontation was in the arena and it was told to turn his stuff in. Then i believe they met after days later, I don't know if it either matters at this point...
Footballfan15
Active member
And Troy, why was a fan forced to remove a sign saying "fire coach collins" . How can a fan be forced to give away a sign as it wasn't threatening or explicit??
bearsradio
Active member
I can't speak to the sign removal. I was busy on-air and paying no attention.
As for incident in the arena, when I have 4 people not named Collins telling me that it didn't go down that way, I'm apt to believe them. Especially after the late night phone calls from a parent saying "We've got to get that story changed".
As for incident in the arena, when I have 4 people not named Collins telling me that it didn't go down that way, I'm apt to believe them. Especially after the late night phone calls from a parent saying "We've got to get that story changed".
bearsradio said:
Troy I appreciate your take on this and I appreciate everything you do for the program, but I'm sorry none of us know exactly what went down and neither do you. I do know that I have heard from several players that that is the way it went down. I also know that I would actually trust the players word over 4 people whom I am assuming are UNC employees and are in the position of spinning this in favor of the program and the university. The truth is probably somewhere in between.
But all that is beside the point. The real question isn't whether or not Collins is a good person, it is whether or not Collins is a good head coach. And there isn't a person on here that can provide a fact based argument that he is. The record speaks for itself. Anybody that believes that giving him another year or two is going to lead to a different result is either delusional or a fool.
helpourbears
Active member
That is not true and you know it. If you have access toooooooooothe program ask the players also dont just ask coaches whoare afraid for thier jobs.bearsradio said:
helpourbears said:
Your disgruntled players story holds just as much water as any coaches story. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. Looking at the poll, it's clear that nobody wants coach Collins to stay so maybe it's time to stop the infighting and move on to basketball or volleyball for a little while.
helpourbears said:
Your disgruntled players story holds just as much water as any coaches story. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. Looking at the poll, it's clear that nobody wants coach Collins to stay so maybe it's time to stop the infighting and move on to basketball or volleyball for a little while.
