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VA out 3 to 6 weeks with broken foot
- Thread starter EWUeag
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Also, pure speculation on my part... but one of two things is likely true. Either this is not a big deal and Vernon is back in two weeks or this is a coded message for "out for season."
Strange that getting injury reports from the football staff is incredibly difficult, and when news does leak out it usually is as ambiguous as possible with no timelines given. It is odd that this would come out, not via leak, but via university generated press release.
Strange that getting injury reports from the football staff is incredibly difficult, and when news does leak out it usually is as ambiguous as possible with no timelines given. It is odd that this would come out, not via leak, but via university generated press release.
Screamin_Eagle174
Active member
EWU O: 2nd - 575.7 / 2nd 49.0
TOTAL D - YPG / SCORING D - PPG
@ SUU: 118th - 530.0 / 113th - 36.8
vs UNC - 73rd - 399.6 / 62nd - 26.8
@ NAU - 66th - 385.3 / 67th - 28.2
vs UND - 28th - 330.3 / 50th - 23.8
vs UM - 23rd - 322.5 / 15th - 16.8
@ PSU - 109th - 482.2 / 102nd - 36.4
EWU D: 101st - 460.7 / 103rd - 36.8
TOTAL O - YPG / SCORING O - PPG
@ SUU: 63rd - 374.3 / 82nd - 20.8
vs UNC - 99th - 296.6 / 100th - 16.8
@ NAU - 26th - 439.0 / 49th - 28.7
vs UND - 117th - 226.2 / 112th - 12.0
vs UM - 89th - 329.2 / 69th - 25.7
@ PSU - 72nd - 363.4 / 77th - 23.4
Green: Top 1/3rd nationally
Black: Middle 1/3rd nationally
Red: Bottom 1/3rd nationally
Like I've said, the second half is quite favorable. Only real difficult game will be UM, and MAYBE NAU. That's assuming West is serviceable, which from all accounts, he's that and more.
TOTAL D - YPG / SCORING D - PPG
@ SUU: 118th - 530.0 / 113th - 36.8
vs UNC - 73rd - 399.6 / 62nd - 26.8
@ NAU - 66th - 385.3 / 67th - 28.2
vs UND - 28th - 330.3 / 50th - 23.8
vs UM - 23rd - 322.5 / 15th - 16.8
@ PSU - 109th - 482.2 / 102nd - 36.4
EWU D: 101st - 460.7 / 103rd - 36.8
TOTAL O - YPG / SCORING O - PPG
@ SUU: 63rd - 374.3 / 82nd - 20.8
vs UNC - 99th - 296.6 / 100th - 16.8
@ NAU - 26th - 439.0 / 49th - 28.7
vs UND - 117th - 226.2 / 112th - 12.0
vs UM - 89th - 329.2 / 69th - 25.7
@ PSU - 72nd - 363.4 / 77th - 23.4
Green: Top 1/3rd nationally
Black: Middle 1/3rd nationally
Red: Bottom 1/3rd nationally
Like I've said, the second half is quite favorable. Only real difficult game will be UM, and MAYBE NAU. That's assuming West is serviceable, which from all accounts, he's that and more.
marceagfan5
Active member
LDopaPDX said:
Someone at the game on Saturday said forte will be out another couple weeks. Not sure if it's true or not but forte was in pads last week and street cloths this week...
If this is going to be a championship team it is time for the defense to step up. With Forte and Adams out our offense is going to come back to earth a bit; my guess is we will be scoring 38 to 42 a game instead of 52+. I figure the new bar for our defense is hold the bad guys to less then 40 and we should be good until Montana when VA will be coming back.
I'm praying that this works to bring the defensive unit together with a sense of urgency.
I'm praying that this works to bring the defensive unit together with a sense of urgency.
GoldenEagle
Active member
I hope VA mends fast and gets out on the field soon.
I have been to almost all of the scrimmages the last three years and have watched Jordan West develop. He will do great. Strong, accurate arm and very mobile for his size.
I have been to almost all of the scrimmages the last three years and have watched Jordan West develop. He will do great. Strong, accurate arm and very mobile for his size.
dudeitsaid
Active member
EWURanger said:
I was thinking the same thing. But I do think we have a little more depth than back then, so hopefully, these injuries will not cost us the playoffs. That, and it helps not to be 0-4 to start the season!
FWIW, I totally disagree with anyone who thinks this is as simple as "next man up." Vernon Adams is a special player, and expecting Jordan West to come in and jump into that same role is a wholly unreasonable expectation. I doubt the coaches are working that line with him.
The team needs West to step in and deliver good throws. He needs to be calm under the pressure, and if he does that, he'll be productive. Frankly, getting your backup QB to have a productive game in his first start is as good as you can typically hope for. The other, and bigger, critical element is to get the team leaders on both sides of the ball to understand they need to bring their absolute best to help the young man out. And that's going to mean playing through some pain and making the difficult plays when the opportunity arises.
Southern Utah isn't great, but they weren't all that great in 2012 when they beat us down there either. If we don't come out with at the A game, this is a losable contest.
The team needs West to step in and deliver good throws. He needs to be calm under the pressure, and if he does that, he'll be productive. Frankly, getting your backup QB to have a productive game in his first start is as good as you can typically hope for. The other, and bigger, critical element is to get the team leaders on both sides of the ball to understand they need to bring their absolute best to help the young man out. And that's going to mean playing through some pain and making the difficult plays when the opportunity arises.
Southern Utah isn't great, but they weren't all that great in 2012 when they beat us down there either. If we don't come out with at the A game, this is a losable contest.
dudeitsaid
Active member
LDopaPDX said:
They are all losable. Heck, obviously, they have already been losable, even with VA, and we've pulled out some wins that really could have gone the other way.
To be very over-general, there are many backups have come into football games and done well. From what I've seen, West is a solid QB, who will be surrounded by outstanding offensive talent, and a coaching staff that excels at that side of the game. He is not VA, and VA is a special player. But from what I've seen with West, and even some of the other QB's on the roster, I think we will do well enough to win our next four games. UM on the other hand...
Another bit of silver lining is we're playing at Cedar City against a 1-5 team. You'd rather be at home for sure, but it's a small stadium and you'd think the fans aren't into the Tbirds all that much at this point. It certainly better than making your first start at Bozeman or Missoula.
LDopaPDX said:
Probably depends on the severity of the break(s). If it were a stress fracture then it'd probably be just 3-4 weeks, but judging by how he was reacting I'd say that's highly unlikely. I've had those and it was more of a thing where my foot hurt and I didn't know what was wrong with it. Runners get those alot.
A quick google search on an acute metatarsal fracture, which is far more likely, is yielding a 4-8 weeks recovery time. Nothing you can really do for these except just stay off of it. Doing the math, I'd say best case scenario maybe he is back for the last regular season game against PSU, but even then you'd have to figure he's not going to be in game form. Playoffs, if we make it, might be a different story.
The bottom line is the team needs to find a way to gut through the second half of the season. Lots of guys banged up and missing playing time, but we will get some of them back. Running game is going to be huge to help along an inexperienced QB while he gains confidence. Jordan West could be the next coming of Matt Nichols or Bo Levi, but even those guys were shaky their first few games. Still, he will be surrounded by a solid offensive line, capable backs, and probably the most talented receiving corps in the FCS, even without Cory Mitchell. I think there's enough talent on this team to at least win 4 or 5 of the next six and get into the playoffs, and then once you're there, anything's possible.
Obzerver
Active member
I hope they don't have to pin it...if that is needed they may wait till after the season. Hopefully they can stabilize it for a few weeks...numb it and get him back on the field asap.
Now that West is the #1 that means we are one play away from the new #2 having to take the field. Who's next in line...the new #2?
Now that West is the #1 that means we are one play away from the new #2 having to take the field. Who's next in line...the new #2?
The problem with foot injuries is that they are seldom injuries of inflammation. You can't just bang up the standard-issue cortisone and Toradol, because the pain is caused by the separation of the bone and that can't really be alleviated. However, my understanding is that recovery depends on how far the break separated. If the bone is packed together tightly, it may only take a couple of weeks to mend.
