Vernon Adams

[Vic E. Wallace]

HannahO,
I agree with every word you have written. I will not criticize anyone, however, Wineguy, knew his son wasn't always correct in everything he did while he was QB here for us. I can give examples, will keep calm. I didn't like the loss either, but let keep our negative words to ourselves. These Athletes are not getting paid, they are not Professionals. I am sure all of us know teams win and loses games, we lost, let us live with it, nothing will change the outcome. Towson will still play NDSU on Jan 4th,14 Frisco, TX. I will bet Wineguy, VA will get us to the Big Dance, should he stay healthy, Corey and others will still be there doing his best to help us get there. Merry Christmas/Happy New Year. Vic Wallace

 

[MLEagle]

Here is the video from KXLY.

http://www.kxly.com/sports/video-ewu-stunned-by-towson/-/100918/23609228/-/akdpu9/-/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Judging by Cody McCarthy's tone, I don't think he agrees with WIneguy. :lol:

Thanks for the link. It is a team game for 60 minutes and 125+ plays, each is important and each plays a role in the outcome of the game.

I love this team and am proud that they are representing my alma mater.

 

[JustAnOldEag]

Really unfortunate that this is even a post. Vernon statistically had the best season you could have as a qb . My hat is off to the kid I saw him do things on the field that I have never seen another qb do, truly phenomenal. Sure he had some errors that game but that doesn't take away from what he did all year. Great season for him and the team as well

 

[Seattle Eagle]

I purposely waited a few days to post on here because I was so upset about the loss. Looks like maybe a couple others should have done the same. To question Adams ability to play in the "big games" is just ridiculous. Playing 15 games in one season is incredibly grueling and by the time you get to the semifinals the margin of error is very small. We win as a team, we lose as a team and calling out one player just because he made a couple of errors is just downright disgraceful and disrespectful in my opinion.

 

[clawman1]

Because the QB is a high visibility position he is the focus when things don't go right but there were a number of things that would changed the outcome.
If QF just had a little better blocking he could made the 1st down. One more step could have made a big difference.
We still had the lead after that missed 4th down attempt. They moved the ball 70+ yards in about 1 1/2 minutes. Was that due to the defensive scheme or players?
If, if , if, it is a team effort and VA does not need to nor deserve to take a guilt trip for the end result.
I feel the most pain for the seniors, they are done, the underclassmen can take another run at it next year and I'm sure they will.
Still proud to be an Eagle!!

 

[EWUmomma]

I'm going to get into huge trouble here but the Cheney faithful have to wake up. I know you are ready to build a statue to VA but seriously, BlackFalcon is right. We will never get to a championship game with VA at QB. Three huge mistakes in the game include the last halftime play where he didn't throw away the ball and tried to run, that ran out the clock. Next, the game winning throw to Cooper Kupp (overthrown) and last the terrible throw for an interception to Cory Mitchell with four defenders around him. The kid is a good but not great QB and will never get this team to the promised land. There are players on this team that are heartsick of mediocrity. Second place is not good enough.

I'm a little baffled that this is coming from a parent of a QB.

Hey Vern's Sis!!

Just wanted to take a minute to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!!

I'm the mom of an EWU O-lineman - and just wanted to let you know that 99.99% of Eagle fans and families are so very proud of Vern and the entire team!! Don't know what the heck is wrong with that other .01%!! While it didn't end the way we all had hoped ..... I still have to say - What an AMAZING year!! I couldn't be more impressed with how much Vernon and the team have grown as players and as men.

The next 2 years are going to be the best yet and I can't wait to see where we go from here! The seniors helped lay the foundation and left a great place to keep building! Please give Vernon a big hug from me and let him know that the "REAL" fans support this team all the way - all the time!! We win together, celebrate together, lose together, and cry together.

Much love -
EWUmomma
"God Bless and GO EAGS!!"

 

[Ryan31088]

This thread is just baffling.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Some of you MEN here kill me. Nobody is taking away what Vernon Adams has accomplished. But be honest with yourself. Stop being so emotional and look with your eyes and see what everyone else can. Don't view this team with rose colored glasses. Vernon choked that throw and the last play before the half. Those are FACTS.

THE KID IS GREAT FOR SURE!!!! He really is. But past success doesn't determine future results. Fact.

I have respect for all ewu players and I have respect for you loyal fans and and player families here on this site. But why is it if you don't blow smoke up Vernon 's ass somehow your point is invalid?

I have even more respect for fans like kalm, SE, ranger etc, mainly bc they are pretty even tempered...So I ask you guys.. honetly... did Vernon miss a wide open wr for the win? Yes or no?

The guy has soooo much ability but he choked on that play. Did other players screw up? Yes. Is it a team sport? Yes. Blah blah blah. Vernon said himself in the press conference, "I let my team down".

I'm not saying he's terrible or anything like that.. I'd just be willing to wager hard earned money he doesn't get EWU a national title. Why? Because he had a fantastic season and still choked in the clutch.

I know some of you assume just bc key players are coming back EWU will be back in those playoffs but it's not that easy. Players get hurt, certain plays don't go your way during the season, next thing you know... you barely squeeze in and you're on the road every game. That's why you have to win games like these when you have the chance.

Some you guys need to stop being so emotional and just be able to talk like men about the game and not condemn a man for telling the truth. You guys want to point out the defense but we can't even get to that yet bc nobody can agree on the obvious.

 

[clawman1]

Please, please, please do not respond. Just IGNORE him!!!

 

[MLEagle]

Some of you MEN here kill me. Nobody is taking away what Vernon Adams has accomplished. But be honest with yourself. Stop being so emotional and look with your eyes and see what everyone else can. Don't view this team with rose colored glasses. Vernon choked that throw and the last play before the half. Those are FACTS.

THE KID IS GREAT FOR SURE!!!! He really is. But past success doesn't determine future results. Fact.

I have respect for all ewu players and I have respect for you loyal fans and and player families here on this site. But why is it if you don't blow smoke up Vernon 's ass somehow your point is invalid?

I have even more respect for fans like kalm, SE, ranger etc, mainly bc they are pretty even tempered...So I ask you guys.. honetly... did Vernon miss a wide open wr for the win? Yes or no?

The guy has soooo much ability but he choked on that play. Did other players screw up? Yes. Is it a team sport? Yes. Blah blah blah. Vernon said himself in the press conference, "I let my team down".

I'm not saying he's terrible or anything like that.. I'd just be willing to wager hard earned money he doesn't get EWU a national title. Why? Because he had a fantastic season and still choked in the clutch.

I know some of you assume just bc key players are coming back EWU will be back in those playoffs but it's not that easy. Players get hurt, certain plays don't go your way during the season, next thing you know... you barely squeeze in and you're on the road every game. That's why you have to win games like these when you have the chance.

Some you guys need to stop being so emotional and just be able to talk like men about the game and not condemn a man for telling the truth. You guys want to point out the defense but we can't even get to that yet bc nobody can agree on the obvious.

I find it funny that you tell the rest of us to quit making "emotional" arguments, when your argument is 100% emotional. Your claim about players "choking" is an arguement about emotions or your opinion about someone's ability to control their emotions.

If you don't want others to make "emotional" arguments then why don't you lead by example. Maybe you can't make those non"emotional" arguments because you can't think of a good logical arguement to support your position.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Some of you MEN here kill me. Nobody is taking away what Vernon Adams has accomplished. But be honest with yourself. Stop being so emotional and look with your eyes and see what everyone else can. Don't view this team with rose colored glasses. Vernon choked that throw and the last play before the half. Those are FACTS.

THE KID IS GREAT FOR SURE!!!! He really is. But past success doesn't determine future results. Fact.

I have respect for all ewu players and I have respect for you loyal fans and and player families here on this site. But why is it if you don't blow smoke up Vernon 's ass somehow your point is invalid?

I have even more respect for fans like kalm, SE, ranger etc, mainly bc they are pretty even tempered...So I ask you guys.. honetly... did Vernon miss a wide open wr for the win? Yes or no?

The guy has soooo much ability but he choked on that play. Did other players screw up? Yes. Is it a team sport? Yes. Blah blah blah. Vernon said himself in the press conference, "I let my team down".

I'm not saying he's terrible or anything like that.. I'd just be willing to wager hard earned money he doesn't get EWU a national title. Why? Because he had a fantastic season and still choked in the clutch.

I know some of you assume just bc key players are coming back EWU will be back in those playoffs but it's not that easy. Players get hurt, certain plays don't go your way during the season, next thing you know... you barely squeeze in and you're on the road every game. That's why you have to win games like these when you have the chance.

Some you guys need to stop being so emotional and just be able to talk like men about the game and not condemn a man for telling the truth. You guys want to point out the defense but we can't even get to that yet bc nobody can agree on the obvious.

I find it funny that you tell the rest of us to quit making "emotional" arguments, when your argument is 100% emotional. Your claim about players "choking" is an arguement about emotions or your opinion about someone's ability to control their emotions.

If you don't want others to make "emotional" arguments then why don't you lead by example. Maybe you can't make those non"emotional" arguments because you can't think of a good logical arguement to support your position.

Saying VA "choked" is not emotions. Its a figure of speech, loosely meaning he failed to deliver an accurate pass that was relatively easy, while the game was on the line. Having explained that, we can both agree that VA did fail to deliver an accurate ball on that 4th & 2. Amirite MLEagle?

 

[Rjones61]

Some of you MEN here kill me. Nobody is taking away what Vernon Adams has accomplished. But be honest with yourself. Stop being so emotional and look with your eyes and see what everyone else can. Don't view this team with rose colored glasses. Vernon choked that throw and the last play before the half. Those are FACTS.

THE KID IS GREAT FOR SURE!!!! He really is. But past success doesn't determine future results. Fact.

I have respect for all ewu players and I have respect for you loyal fans and and player families here on this site. But why is it if you don't blow smoke up Vernon 's ass somehow your point is invalid?

I have even more respect for fans like kalm, SE, ranger etc, mainly bc they are pretty even tempered...So I ask you guys.. honetly... did Vernon miss a wide open wr for the win? Yes or no?

The guy has soooo much ability but he choked on that play. Did other players screw up? Yes. Is it a team sport? Yes. Blah blah blah. Vernon said himself in the press conference, "I let my team down".

I'm not saying he's terrible or anything like that.. I'd just be willing to wager hard earned money he doesn't get EWU a national title. Why? Because he had a fantastic season and still choked in the clutch.

I know some of you assume just bc key players are coming back EWU will be back in those playoffs but it's not that easy. Players get hurt, certain plays don't go your way during the season, next thing you know... you barely squeeze in and you're on the road every game. That's why you have to win games like these when you have the chance.

Some you guys need to stop being so emotional and just be able to talk like men about the game and not condemn a man for telling the truth. You guys want to point out the defense but we can't even get to that yet bc nobody can agree on the obvious.

I find it funny that you tell the rest of us to quit making "emotional" arguments, when your argument is 100% emotional. Your claim about players "choking" is an arguement about emotions or your opinion about someone's ability to control their emotions.

If you don't want others to make "emotional" arguments then why don't you lead by example. Maybe you can't make those non"emotional" arguments because you can't think of a good logical arguement to support your position.

Saying VA "choked" is not emotions. Its a figure of speech, loosely meaning he failed to deliver an accurate pass that was relatively easy, while the game was on the line. Having explained that, we can both agree that VA did fail to deliver an accurate ball on that 4th & 2. Amirite MLEagle?

And if we handed it to Quincy Forte and he was tackled for a loss? Would Forte have choked then, and Adams still a national champion quarterback?

Shit happens. Get over it.

Having a great quarterback does not entitle you to a championship. The quarterback doesn't carry the team to a national championship. If we don't win another championship with Vernon Adams, you will still be wrong.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Some of you MEN here kill me. Nobody is taking away what Vernon Adams has accomplished. But be honest with yourself. Stop being so emotional and look with your eyes and see what everyone else can. Don't view this team with rose colored glasses. Vernon choked that throw and the last play before the half. Those are FACTS.

THE KID IS GREAT FOR SURE!!!! He really is. But past success doesn't determine future results. Fact.

I have respect for all ewu players and I have respect for you loyal fans and and player families here on this site. But why is it if you don't blow smoke up Vernon 's ass somehow your point is invalid?

I have even more respect for fans like kalm, SE, ranger etc, mainly bc they are pretty even tempered...So I ask you guys.. honetly... did Vernon miss a wide open wr for the win? Yes or no?

The guy has soooo much ability but he choked on that play. Did other players screw up? Yes. Is it a team sport? Yes. Blah blah blah. Vernon said himself in the press conference, "I let my team down".

I'm not saying he's terrible or anything like that.. I'd just be willing to wager hard earned money he doesn't get EWU a national title. Why? Because he had a fantastic season and still choked in the clutch.

I know some of you assume just bc key players are coming back EWU will be back in those playoffs but it's not that easy. Players get hurt, certain plays don't go your way during the season, next thing you know... you barely squeeze in and you're on the road every game. That's why you have to win games like these when you have the chance.

Some you guys need to stop being so emotional and just be able to talk like men about the game and not condemn a man for telling the truth. You guys want to point out the defense but we can't even get to that yet bc nobody can agree on the obvious.

I find it funny that you tell the rest of us to quit making "emotional" arguments, when your argument is 100% emotional. Your claim about players "choking" is an arguement about emotions or your opinion about someone's ability to control their emotions.

If you don't want others to make "emotional" arguments then why don't you lead by example. Maybe you can't make those non"emotional" arguments because you can't think of a good logical arguement to support your position.

Saying VA "choked" is not emotions. Its a figure of speech, loosely meaning he failed to deliver an accurate pass that was relatively easy, while the game was on the line. Having explained that, we can both agree that VA did fail to deliver an accurate ball on that 4th & 2. Amirite MLEagle?

And if we handed it to Quincy Forte and he was tackled for a loss? Would Forte have choked then, and Adams still a national champion quarterback?

Shit happens. Get over it.

Having a great quarterback does not entitle you to a championship. The quarterback doesn't carry the team to a national championship. If we don't win another championship with Vernon Adams, you will still be wrong.

The question was RJones, "Did VA fail to deliver an accurate ball on that 4th & 2?" Its not a trick question. Again, The team was great this year... Just 2 yards away from another trip to Frisco. Gotta be proud of those seniors tho.

 

[MLEagle]

Some of you MEN here kill me. Nobody is taking away what Vernon Adams has accomplished. But be honest with yourself. Stop being so emotional and look with your eyes and see what everyone else can. Don't view this team with rose colored glasses. Vernon choked that throw and the last play before the half. Those are FACTS.

THE KID IS GREAT FOR SURE!!!! He really is. But past success doesn't determine future results. Fact.

I have respect for all ewu players and I have respect for you loyal fans and and player families here on this site. But why is it if you don't blow smoke up Vernon 's ass somehow your point is invalid?

I have even more respect for fans like kalm, SE, ranger etc, mainly bc they are pretty even tempered...So I ask you guys.. honetly... did Vernon miss a wide open wr for the win? Yes or no?

The guy has soooo much ability but he choked on that play. Did other players screw up? Yes. Is it a team sport? Yes. Blah blah blah. Vernon said himself in the press conference, "I let my team down".

I'm not saying he's terrible or anything like that.. I'd just be willing to wager hard earned money he doesn't get EWU a national title. Why? Because he had a fantastic season and still choked in the clutch.

I know some of you assume just bc key players are coming back EWU will be back in those playoffs but it's not that easy. Players get hurt, certain plays don't go your way during the season, next thing you know... you barely squeeze in and you're on the road every game. That's why you have to win games like these when you have the chance.

Some you guys need to stop being so emotional and just be able to talk like men about the game and not condemn a man for telling the truth. You guys want to point out the defense but we can't even get to that yet bc nobody can agree on the obvious.

I find it funny that you tell the rest of us to quit making "emotional" arguments, when your argument is 100% emotional. Your claim about players "choking" is an arguement about emotions or your opinion about someone's ability to control their emotions.

If you don't want others to make "emotional" arguments then why don't you lead by example. Maybe you can't make those non"emotional" arguments because you can't think of a good logical arguement to support your position.

Saying VA "choked" is not emotions. Its a figure of speech, loosely meaning he failed to deliver an accurate pass that was relatively easy, while the game was on the line. Having explained that, we can both agree that VA did fail to deliver an accurate ball on that 4th & 2. Amirite MLEagle?

The figure of speech "choking" means that someone could not come through in key moments because of their emotions. Saying someone "choked" insinuates that players cannot physically perform key situations like they do in less pressure filled ones because the can't handle the emotional pressure.

It is quite obvious that Vernon missed a throw on the 4th and 2, and if that is what you had said in the beginning I'm sure you would have heard little arguement. But, that is not what you did. You laid 100% of the blame of a tough loss on one player and said that he will never win big because he can't handle tough spots in big games because of his emotions. You never mentioned Vernon's physical abilities to play the quarterback position, you were attacking his ability to control his emotions in big spots and not "choke."

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Aberrations to the norm do not define, nor do they predict future success or failure. Established patterns of consistency do. Did Adams not deliver in the clutch, with a goal-line run to beat OSU to begin the season? Did Adams not throw 6 TDs in the clutch against SHSU deep in the 2012 playoffs to give us a chance to win?

Yes, it was a bad throw. But you've done smoked yourself brain dead if you believe that a very small handful of bad plays among a season+ of good and great ones is somehow an indication that VA will never win a NC, especially considering -- as you acknowledged --- it's a team game.

 

[EWURanger]

Aberrations to the norm do not define, nor do they predict future success or failure. Established patterns of consistency do. Did Adams not deliver in the clutch, with a goal-line run to beat OSU to begin the season? Did Adams not throw 6 TDs in the clutch against SHSU deep in the 2012 playoffs to give us a chance to win?

Yes, it was a bad throw. But you've done smoked yourself brain dead if you believe that a very small handful of bad plays among a season+ of good and great ones is somehow an indication that VA will never win a NC, especially considering -- as you acknowledged --- it's a team game.

Agreed. I think his best football is yet to come.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Aberrations to the norm do not define, nor do they predict future success or failure. Established patterns of consistency do. Did Adams not deliver in the clutch, with a goal-line run to beat OSU to begin the season? Did Adams not throw 6 TDs in the clutch against SHSU deep in the 2012 playoffs to give us a chance to win?

Yes, it was a bad throw. But you've done smoked yourself brain dead if you believe that a very small handful of bad plays among a season+ of good and great ones is somehow an indication that VA will never win a NC, especially considering -- as you acknowledged --- it's a team game.

:tothehand:

There's one thing we agree on. VA had a great 2013 regular season. Here's what we disagree on. When the game was on the line, VA didn't make a play when he needed to.

It's my opinion that ewu won't win a NC with VA at the helm. Obviously he can't win a semi final game. 0 for 2. With the exception of my prediction, everything I said is a fact. I bleed Eagle red, but I'm not going to sugar coat anything bc the guy have a great season. His regular season couldn't save his bacon in the playoffs. If it could, I'd be on a plane to dallas in a few days.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Aberrations to the norm do not define, nor do they predict future success or failure. Established patterns of consistency do. Did Adams not deliver in the clutch, with a goal-line run to beat OSU to begin the season? Did Adams not throw 6 TDs in the clutch against SHSU deep in the 2012 playoffs to give us a chance to win?

Yes, it was a bad throw. But you've done smoked yourself brain dead if you believe that a very small handful of bad plays among a season+ of good and great ones is somehow an indication that VA will never win a NC, especially considering -- as you acknowledged --- it's a team game.

Agreed. I think his best football is yet to come.

Really?? It's going to be very hard for him to top his 2013 production. Especially since teams have seen him exposed/marginalized/relatively held in check, in the 2013 quarters & semis. Amirite Ranger?

 

[EWURanger]

Aberrations to the norm do not define, nor do they predict future success or failure. Established patterns of consistency do. Did Adams not deliver in the clutch, with a goal-line run to beat OSU to begin the season? Did Adams not throw 6 TDs in the clutch against SHSU deep in the 2012 playoffs to give us a chance to win?

Yes, it was a bad throw. But you've done smoked yourself brain dead if you believe that a very small handful of bad plays among a season+ of good and great ones is somehow an indication that VA will never win a NC, especially considering -- as you acknowledged --- it's a team game.

Agreed. I think his best football is yet to come.

Really?? It's going to be very hard for him to top his 2013 production. Especially since teams have seen him exposed/marginalized/relatively held in check, in the 2013 quarters & semis. Amirite Ranger?

Well, a couple things I would offer here. In the 2012 semi-final game he was kinda thrown into the game mid-way. He threw 6 TD's in one half and we almost came back from a 0-35 halftime deficit to win the game. If you haven't watched that game yet, I would check it out. It was incredible. The 2012 game, I don't think it's a very good metric to evaluate how VA plays in big games. If anything, it shows that he can rise to the occasion.

In this year's semi, I agree with you that he should have made that throw. We can call it "choking", I guess...but I think what we disagree on is the presumption that just because he didn't get it done this year means that he doesn't have it in him to get it done in the future. I think he does, and I think he will. I mean, he's shown he can play (and win) in big games. I don't think it's a mental thing at all with him. What I do think is that when you get to the semi's, you are playing some damn good teams, so the one or two bad plays that the QB makes are more costly than when you are playing ISU, etc. He made mistakes against those teams, too, it's just that none of those teams were as good as the ones we were playing in the playoffs. I'll go back to my previous statement that it's a total team loss. The margin for error is very slim in the playoffs, so I think you have to look at every squad on the team (O,D, ST) and find ways to improve.

I will admit that it did seem like at times the cold effected VA in the playoffs, but again it's difficult to read too much into that. It's hard to tell whether it was the cold, or like I said before, the fact that we were playing better teams than most of the ones we played in the regular season. Maybe it was a little bit of both.

At the end of the day, I do still think VA's best football is ahead of him, and I think we're lucky to have him because he's a special player, like many other players on our team.

 

[kalm]

1). VA doesn't necessarily need to put up the same numbers in order for us to win a championship.

2). I'm sure the starting job will have to be earned not only in camp, but secured during the season just like 2011.

3). I have more faith in Baldwin and Hill than BF does. :nod: