Vernon Adams

[Obzerver]

While many have commented of BF's statement in regards to VA not leading us to a NC. I may have the angle why he believes this to be true. I've been accumulating statistics/data from a number of sources and have found BF has grounds for this belief. There are 122 FCS teams and several transitioning in the next couple of years(some will not be able to/choose not to) compete for the NC. Taking into consideration teams from each conference and what conferences have produced N. Champs and the odds these teams will produce a NC statistically have mixed results. One must also take a teams ability to make the playoffs and take into account injuries(including the QB) to complete a season. As our own NC is concerned there was also a bit of luck involved in the playoff run, this to has a role to play. As far as VA is concerned besides statistically a team winning a NC one must look at whether he would make it through the season healthy including the NC game(there are actual stats that he could get hit by a car or injured in practice and not able to play in the final game). That would mean even though EWU may win he would technically not have led us to a NC. After accumulating all the stats/data/%'s I could think of, the results say that there is a 8.77% chance EWU will produce a NC with VA leading the way the next two years. AS BF has mentioned his opinion was exempt of emotion and he may have been basing his conclusion on odds/stats. Objectively as I can be, if I were a betting man(and I am) I would be willing to wager his statement to be true. As a fan I personally believe EWU will be in the hunt in the future.

*Hypothetically derived and not to taken seriously

 

[clawman1]

:tothehand:

1). VA doesn't necessarily need to put up the same numbers in order for us to win a championship.

2). I'm sure the starting job will have to be earned not only in camp, but secured during the season just like 2011.

3). I have more faith in Baldwin and Hill than BF does. :nod:

Teams have learned to slow down Vern in various ways and are better at slowing down and covering our receivers.
There is not a team in the Big Sky or most of FCS that would not LOVE to have a QB the caliber of VA. That would probably also apply to a lot of FBS schools as well. It is a team game and if we continue to rely on record setting performances to be successful we will be disappointed, not because of his performances in particular but because we are not producing as a team in all facets.
Two things need to happen next year,
1- keep improving the running game and most of all
2- play some defense.
I have always been impressed with the effort our staff gets out of these guys. There has never been a better example of performing at 110% than every player on THE Eastern Washington Eagles.

 

[dudeitsaid]

I suspect if similar comments had been posted about Bo Levi after his first few games of the 2010 season in which he had uneven performances, you would have taken great umbrage.
Lanie Williams (mother of Grant Williams LB, 2008-12)

I personally thought BLM was terrible for much of the first season, and couldn't believe we were "lucky" enough to squeak out some of the wins we did. I thought he was a risk taker, and mistake prone. But he improved as the season went on. And he always found a way to give the team a chance. He never gave up. And he made big plays when we needed them.

That being said, towards the end of the season, one of the former successful EWU QB's said BLM was a horrible QB, and there was no way we would win a game in the playoffs. We know what the outcome of that was...NC.

My point is, we all have our opinions as fans, players, relatives of players, etc. None of them will have any bearing on the success of the team. This is an emotional game for all of us who support this team in whatever capacity we do. But just looking at the objective facts, VA is a great QB (with an outstanding team that helps him be successful), and has played well and won some clutch games.

Whether we win another NC or not, who knows! Of course, we all would love that. I'd love it if the Seahawks won the superbowl, yet in a much smaller sample size, they've never been able to pull that off.

We are experiencing a level of success a very small percentage of FCS teams get to experience. I'm pumped that we have the opportunity to have a team that can contend. To win in the playoffs is very difficult, as many of the games can be close, and if they are close, anyone can win, as we just experienced (and as the Seahawks experienced against Atlanta last year!) We are seeing the best against the best. There is no guarantee we will ever go to another NC. To do so, will not be easy. But I think EWU is building the legacy, facilities, recruiting, team, philosophy, etc, etc, to be perennial contenders. And every season that happens, we have a chance.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Football is mostly mental. A lot of physicality, but VA looked to be mentally rattled after those picks vs SDSU. I could be wrong, and I love EWU, but I don't see VA winning the Payton and I don't think he has it MENTALLY to win a semi final game. Physically he's unstoppable. The only person that has stop VA is.... Vernon Adams.

 

[MLEagle]

Football is mostly mental. A lot of physicality, but VA looked to be mentally rattled after those picks vs SDSU. I could be wrong, and I love EWU, but I don't see VA winning the Payton and I don't think he has it MENTALLY to win a semi final game. Physically he's unstoppable. The only person that has stop VA is.... Vernon Adams.

Since we aren't winning the national championship in at least the next two years until we get a new qb, EWU will never get the Gateway project done, we won't be able to win recruiting battles when they see our stadium, and Baldwin and company will be gone with the first good offer to come along, share with us how you see the future of EWU football? And explain why you care about and "support" this team Black?

 

[EAGLEFUZZ]

At the end of the day we will be back stronger than ever. The coaching staff will reload, players will learn from mistakes and the team will be stronger. We can all Monday morning this game to death. The simple fact there is a next year. Its not the end of the world how many teams would kill to be in our position at the top of the heap. We will crest the mountain with VA and Company leading the way.

I would put my money on the team everyday.

 

[footballdirt]

I know this is a board of opinions and most of the people on this board are armchair quarterbacks. I say that not to be demeaning but you will never truly know the position unless you have played the position.

In my opinion, I find this thread distasteful coming from a parent of QB. My guess is he has a selective memory of BLM's games. I will not point out his many errors, but will ask how many times did TJ pull the team out of bad situations? ALOT

My son, Anthony Vitto, was #2 behind both of these QB's. He has said that VA has made throws that he never thought were possible. VA is the real deal. He believes he is the best QB EWU has had in a long time. We could pick him apart just as we could pick apart each player and we will find errors. I do believe you will find more positive than the negative in VA. He is an excellent leader as well as a player. He will continually improve and does have what it takes to lead his TEAM to a NC.

Statically, a single player does not win NC but as a TEAM anything is possible and that is why you play the game. To point to one individual for a NC is simply absurd.

As a QB you are either the hero or the villain. Vernon, if you read this board just remember, you will never be as good as people say you are and you will never be as bad as people say you are. Therefore, take all comments with a grain of salt. Best of luck to you and your team these next two years. I believe you and the team will do great things. :thumb:

Julie Vitto

 

[kalm]

I know this is a board of opinions and most of the people on this board are armchair quarterbacks. I say that not to be demeaning but you will never truly know the position unless you have played the position.

In my opinion, I find this thread distasteful coming from a parent of QB. My guess is he has a selective memory of BLM's games. I will not point out his many errors, but will ask how many times did TJ pull the team out of bad situations? ALOT

My son, Anthony Vitto, was #2 behind both of these QB's. He has said that VA has made throws that he never thought were possible. VA is the real deal. He believes he is the best QB EWU has had in a long time. We could pick him apart just as we could pick apart each player and we will find errors. I do believe you will find more positive than the negative in VA. He is an excellent leader as well as a player. He will continually improve and does have what it takes to lead his TEAM to a NC.

Statically, a single player does not win NC but as a TEAM anything is possible and that is why you play the game. To point to one individual for a NC is simply absurd.

As a QB you are either the hero or the villain. Vernon, if you read this board just remember, you will never be as good as people say you are and you will never be as bad as people say you are. Therefore, take all comments with a grain of salt. Best of luck to you and your team these next two years. I believe you and the team will do great things. :thumb:

Julie Vitto

Thanks for the incite Julie, and best of luck to Anthony going forward! :clap:

BTW, anyone notice how Joe Flaco flopped the last two weeks and Ely Manning threw his 27th pick of the season yesterday? Neither if those kids have what it takes to lead their team to a championship.

 

[ewusisterfan]

I'm going to get into huge trouble here but the Cheney faithful have to wake up. I know you are ready to build a statue to VA but seriously, BlackFalcon is right. We will never get to a championship game with VA at QB. Three huge mistakes in the game include the last halftime play where he didn't throw away the ball and tried to run, that ran out the clock. Next, the game winning throw to Cooper Kupp (overthrown) and last the terrible throw for an interception to Cory Mitchell with four defenders around him. The kid is a good but not great QB and will never get this team to the promised land. There are players on this team that are heartsick of mediocrity. Second place is not good enough.

I'm a little baffled that this is coming from a parent of a QB.

Hey Vern's Sis!!

Just wanted to take a minute to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!!

I'm the mom of an EWU O-lineman - and just wanted to let you know that 99.99% of Eagle fans and families are so very proud of Vern and the entire team!! Don't know what the heck is wrong with that other .01%!! While it didn't end the way we all had hoped ..... I still have to say - What an AMAZING year!! I couldn't be more impressed with how much Vernon and the team have grown as players and as men.

The next 2 years are going to be the best yet and I can't wait to see where we go from here! The seniors helped lay the foundation and left a great place to keep building! Please give Vernon a big hug from me and let him know that the "REAL" fans support this team all the way - all the time!! We win together, celebrate together, lose together, and cry together.

Much love -
EWUmomma
"God Bless and GO EAGS!!"

Thank you! I love our team and fan base. . . . even the few that have seemingly had 1 to many. I hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday season!

 

[Rjones61]

While many have commented of BF's statement in regards to VA not leading us to a NC. I may have the angle why he believes this to be true. I've been accumulating statistics/data from a number of sources and have found BF has grounds for this belief. There are 122 FCS teams and several transitioning in the next couple of years(some will not be able to/choose not to) compete for the NC. Taking into consideration teams from each conference and what conferences have produced N. Champs and the odds these teams will produce a NC statistically have mixed results. One must also take a teams ability to make the playoffs and take into account injuries(including the QB) to complete a season. As our own NC is concerned there was also a bit of luck involved in the playoff run, this to has a role to play. As far as VA is concerned besides statistically a team winning a NC one must look at whether he would make it through the season healthy including the NC game(there are actual stats that he could get hit by a car or injured in practice and not able to play in the final game). That would mean even though EWU may win he would technically not have led us to a NC. After accumulating all the stats/data/%'s I could think of, the results say that there is a 8.77% chance EWU will produce a NC with VA leading the way the next two years. AS BF has mentioned his opinion was exempt of emotion and he may have been basing his conclusion on odds/stats. Objectively as I can be, if I were a betting man(and I am) I would be willing to wager his statement to be true. As a fan I personally believe EWU will be in the hunt in the future.

*Hypothetically derived and not to taken seriously

Obzerver: Nobody is guaranteeing we will win the championship. The problem everyone is having is that Wineguy and Blackfalkin are placing the blame of the semifinal loss on Vernon Adams. They are also placing the blame of IF we don't make the championship again, then it is the fault of Vernon Adams. That is just wrong.

 

[Rontheoldwiseeagle]

I know this is a board of opinions and most of the people on this board are armchair quarterbacks. I say that not to be demeaning but you will never truly know the position unless you have played the position.

In my opinion, I find this thread distasteful coming from a parent of QB. My guess is he has a selective memory of BLM's games. I will not point out his many errors, but will ask how many times did TJ pull the team out of bad situations? ALOT

My son, Anthony Vitto, was #2 behind both of these QB's. He has said that VA has made throws that he never thought were possible. VA is the real deal. He believes he is the best QB EWU has had in a long time. We could pick him apart just as we could pick apart each player and we will find errors. I do believe you will find more positive than the negative in VA. He is an excellent leader as well as a player. He will continually improve and does have what it takes to lead his TEAM to a NC.

Statically, a single player does not win NC but as a TEAM anything is possible and that is why you play the game. To point to one individual for a NC is simply absurd.

As a QB you are either the hero or the villain. Vernon, if you read this board just remember, you will never be as good as people say you are and you will never be as bad as people say you are. Therefore, take all comments with a grain of salt. Best of luck to you and your team these next two years. I believe you and the team will do great things. :thumb:

Julie Vitto

Thanks for letting your son come to EWU and thank your son from all of us in the stands for his leadership and hard work for all his years on this football team. It is such a great joy to watch these young men grow and mature over their years at Eastern. We hope to see him many time over the coming years visiting on the sidelines. We wish him the greatest success.

 

[Vic E. Wallace]

Julie Vitto,
Give Anthony our best, hope we see him more often now that he is a Senior and going to the working world. He is an outstanding young man. Love talking to you and your Husband the few times we met you. Anthony knows what Vernon is capable of doing. With the right Players, Vernon will take this team to the NC, as you have said, it is a team sport. Hope Vernon takes all this (BS) with Grain OF SALT, "HE IS BIGGER AND BETTER THAN THAT"
Still love this Team, Coaches, and University. Happy New Year to you and yours. Go Eagles!!!!! Vic Wallace

 

[dudeitsaid]

My son, Anthony Vitto, was #2 behind both of these QB's. He has said that VA has made throws that he never thought were possible. VA is the real deal. He believes he is the best QB EWU has had in a long time. We could pick him apart just as we could pick apart each player and we will find errors. I do believe you will find more positive than the negative in VA. He is an excellent leader as well as a player. He will continually improve and does have what it takes to lead his TEAM to a NC.
Julie Vitto

That holds more weight than just about any of the other insights people can offer. For one, Vitto is a dang good QB who in the words of Baldwin would be starting on many of the FCS teams out there. Vitto has played quite well when he's been on the field this year. I think one of the easiest things to do when you are behind someone is pick apart their flaws and failures. For Anthony to make those statements not only shows tremendous class, character, and maturity on his part. But in my opinion, should just about end any dispute of the quality of QB VA is.

Thanks to all of the parents and former players that have given your insight and knowledge to this board. I just discovered this board recently, and it's been awesome to see what you all have to say.

 

[RedRaptor]

Julie,

Wanted to let you know how much it meant to my 6 year old that Anthony took the time to sign his football after one of the games where your son threw for some TD's. Great young man and he has been and outstanding representative for the Eagles! He will continue to do well.

:thumb:

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I know this is a board of opinions and most of the people on this board are armchair quarterbacks. I say that not to be demeaning but you will never truly know the position unless you have played the position.

In my opinion, I find this thread distasteful coming from a parent of QB. My guess is he has a selective memory of BLM's games. I will not point out his many errors, but will ask how many times did TJ pull the team out of bad situations? ALOT

My son, Anthony Vitto, was #2 behind both of these QB's. He has said that VA has made throws that he never thought were possible. VA is the real deal. He believes he is the best QB EWU has had in a long time. We could pick him apart just as we could pick apart each player and we will find errors. I do believe you will find more positive than the negative in VA. He is an excellent leader as well as a player. He will continually improve and does have what it takes to lead his TEAM to a NC.

Statically, a single player does not win NC but as a TEAM anything is possible and that is why you play the game. To point to one individual for a NC is simply absurd.

As a QB you are either the hero or the villain. Vernon, if you read this board just remember, you will never be as good as people say you are and you will never be as bad as people say you are. Therefore, take all comments with a grain of salt. Best of luck to you and your team these next two years. I believe you and the team will do great things. :thumb:

Julie Vitto

Thanks for the incite Julie, and best of luck to Anthony going forward! :clap:

BTW, anyone notice how Joe Flaco flopped the last two weeks and Ely Manning threw his 27th pick of the season yesterday? Neither if those kids have what it takes to lead their team to a championship.

Two excellent posts! Thanks for the insight from you and Anthony, Julie. :notworthy:

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

BTW, anyone notice how Joe Flaco flopped the last two weeks and Ely Manning threw his 27th pick of the season yesterday? Neither if those kids have what it takes to lead their team to a championship.

Those quarterbacks, UNLIKE VERNON ADAMS, have won championships. Don't mention VA and Eli Manningin the same sentence. You nerds get waaay ahead of yourselves.

I never said VA lost the game by himself RJONES put the bifocals back on. I said he failed to deliver an accurate pass on 4th and 2, with the game on the line. That's a fact. Accept it.

VA has played and lost in 2 semifinal games. WE'RE BOTH LOSSES ENTIRELY HIS FAULT? --NO-- but he is O fer 2. Fact accept it.

Can we ASSUME VA will get better, you could but I'm not going to. Why you ask? Bc he had an incredible year in 13 and he got lucky soo many damn times... it's gonna be hard to top. I think he learned a very hard lesson choking that throw, and I believe MENTALLY hell be a better player next year.

But the million dollar question is can he win a semi final game? Because so far he's proven he can't. Doesn't mean he won't in the future tho bc he could and I hope he does.

 

[FrontFive4Life]

BTW, anyone notice how Joe Flaco flopped the last two weeks and Ely Manning threw his 27th pick of the season yesterday? Neither if those kids have what it takes to lead their team to a championship.

Those quarterbacks, UNLIKE VERNON ADAMS, have won championships. Don't mention VA and Eli Manningin the same sentence. You nerds get waaay ahead of yourselves.

I never said VA lost the game by himself RJONES put the bifocals back on. I said he failed to deliver an accurate pass on 4th and 2, with the game on the line. That's a fact. Accept it.

VA has played and lost in 2 semifinal games. WE'RE BOTH LOSSES ENTIRELY HIS FAULT? --NO-- but he is O fer 2. Fact accept it.

Can we ASSUME VA will get better, you could but I'm not going to. Why you ask? Bc he had an incredible year in 13 and he got lucky soo many damn times... it's gonna be hard to top. I think he learned a very hard lesson choking that throw, and I believe MENTALLY hell be a better player next year.

But the million dollar question is can he win a semi final game? Because so far he's proven he can't. Doesn't mean he won't in the future tho bc he could and I hope he does.

:lol: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E[/youtube]

Bottom line, win as a team, lose as a team. If the D would have come up with a stop on that last drive instead of channeling Sears' shitty prevent scheme from years past, then we wouldn't be having this conversation (remember blowing that nice 2 touchdown lead with 8 minutes left in the 4th that we gave you in '05 against UNI? Must have been Money's fault).


My :twocents: = Vernon will learn from it, and be better for it. I hate the fact that we choked (anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional) in the semi's twice against teams I believe we were better than, but that's football. Shit's not always gonna go your way, and it's about how you deal with the adversity and change of direction that defines you.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Football is mostly mental. A lot of physicality, but VA looked to be mentally rattled after those picks vs SDSU. I could be wrong, and I love EWU, but I don't see VA winning the Payton and I don't think he has it MENTALLY to win a semi final game. Physically he's unstoppable. The only person that has stop VA is.... Vernon Adams.

Since we aren't winning the national championship in at least the next two years until we get a new qb, EWU will never get the Gateway project done, we won't be able to win recruiting battles when they see our stadium, and Baldwin and company will be gone with the first good offer to come along, share with us how you see the future of EWU football? And explain why you care about and "support" this team Black?

I didn't say the gateway project won't get built, I said not in the next 9 years. You need more attention to detail.

VA. - Great player but he choked that throw and he choke the last play before half. Don't make excuses for him.. He didn't make excuses for himself in the press conference! He owned up to it like a man! I respect that. After every game coaches go over the film with a fine tooth comb and show you just how you fxcked. You have to take responsibility for your actions and get better. I respect VA, I don't respect you guys bc you pretend like he didn't miss the tthrow when you know he did. I have no respect for people who lie and make bullshit excuses. He had a great season and I'm proud of him and the team, but don't try to convince me the game wouldn't have been over had he not delivered an accurate ball.

Frisco- the reason I said I don't see ewu in Frisco with VA at the helm is bc it's hard as he'll to keep getting back to the playoffs and having heartbreak losses. I'm telling you bc I know, it fxcks with you mentally. Again football is very much mental. It's possible and I hope it happens but it's not likely. And that's a mathematical fact.

Gateway - if it gets built or not has very little to do with the football team at this point. There isn't alot of support from the University when it comes to $$$ for a new stadium. That renovation and expansion should have been done 10 years ago.

Recruiting - I was once a EWU recruit and player... trust me, that stadium hurts the program.

Coaching - based on what I saw with Wulff, yes I think Baldwin will probably take a FBS job within a few more years and he deserves it. He's a great coach and he's a good man and role model.

EWU football. - believe me I love the program. I'm being honest with u fans, and former players bc I care and want what's best for ewu football. But I'm not going to sugar coat anything.

The future - I see great things obviously, but I can't even really think about that yet bc ewu fans fail to acknowledge a bad pass. Once someone finally admits he choked that throw and prevented me from booking my ticket to dallas then we can talk 2014.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

:lol: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E[/youtube]

Bottom line, win as a team, lose as a team. If the D would have come up with a stop on that last drive instead of channeling Sears' shitty prevent scheme from years past, then we wouldn't be having this conversation (remember blowing that nice 2 touchdown lead with 8 minutes left in the 4th that we gave you in '05 against UNI? Must have been Money's fault).


My :twocents: = Vernon will learn from it, and be better for it. I hate the fact that we choked (anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional) in the semi's twice against teams I believe we were better than, but that's football. Shit's not always gonna go your way, and it's about how you deal with the adversity and change of direction that defines you.

:lol: :lol: hey I'll accept that! I'm definitely an a - hole.

I agree, defense screwed up at UNI and vs shsu. There were mistakes all around. Just like this ewu v towson game. The towson offense waltzed down the field easily on their last drive. EWU defense didn't even make them have to kick it for over time. I agree. Now, if VA would have made that throw, ewu would've been up by 10. Game over I'm in Dallas. EWU choked. I don't talk down on ewu players but that throw was crucial.

 

[FrontFive4Life]

:lol: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E[/youtube]

Bottom line, win as a team, lose as a team. If the D would have come up with a stop on that last drive instead of channeling Sears' shitty prevent scheme from years past, then we wouldn't be having this conversation (remember blowing that nice 2 touchdown lead with 8 minutes left in the 4th that we gave you in '05 against UNI? Must have been Money's fault).


My :twocents: = Vernon will learn from it, and be better for it. I hate the fact that we choked (anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional) in the semi's twice against teams I believe we were better than, but that's football. Shit's not always gonna go your way, and it's about how you deal with the adversity and change of direction that defines you.

:lol: :lol: hey I'll accept that! I'm definitely an a - hole.

I agree, defense screwed up at UNI and vs shsu. There were mistakes all around. Just like this ewu v towson game. The towson offense waltzed down the field easily on their last drive. EWU defense didn't even make them have to kick it for over time. I agree. Now, if VA would have made that throw, ewu would've been up by 10. Game over I'm in Dallas. EWU choked. I don't talk down on ewu players but that throw was crucial.

Haha, yep I'm fluent in a-hole. I wish we would have made it to Dallas just as much as anyone. It's easy to point to that throw since it was the most visible and memorable, but there were a number of other plays offensively and defensively that were equally decisive. I know you're just as die hard as I am when it comes to EWU football, so no need to beat a dead horse. Tell you what though, I wish we could somehow scrounge up a few games worth of eligibility and get after it again! :lol: