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Screamin_Eagle174 said:
Phalanx said:
Screamin_Eagle174 said:
Do you honestly believe that a QB at the FCS level is going to ask to be released from his scholarship and thus burn that bridge on the mere hope that a BCS NC contender would be legitimately interested in signing and starting him? C'mon now. VA clearly had someone from Oregon either directly or through an intermediary tell him they were interested... while he was still on scholarship with EWU. I know you're probably a Ducks fan, but please don't be so naive.

My point is only that Adams made first contact, expressing his interest in transferring, knowing that Oregon was light at QB this year (the Braxton Miller rumors had already been out there for several weeks). If you think that the only ethical thing for Oregon to do at that point was ignore Adams, then we will have to agree to disagree, I guess.
You're still missing the point. VA didn't reach out until he had requested and been granted release from EWU, which he wouldn't do unless he had it on pretty good authority that the interest was mutual. If you honestly think that UO didn't reach out to VA one way or another before he asked for his release, then there is no help for what you have.

From my standpoint, I'm in no way inferring that any NCAA violations were committed by UO, but I agree that for VA to ask for a release and then reach out to UO not having any prior contact is beyond comprehension...where there's smoke....there's fire. I'm sure all of you remember Will Lyles, UO's recruiting "assistant" that brought an NCAA investigation onto UO back in 2011? Well, take a look at the recent players in this saga and it's not that hard to come up with a cast of characters.
 
Ewusavage said:
From my standpoint, I'm in no way inferring that any NCAA violations were committed by UO, but I agree that for VA to ask for a release and then reach out to UO not having any prior contact is beyond comprehension...where there's smoke....there's fire. I'm sure all of you remember Will Lyles, UO's recruiting "assistant" that brought an NCAA investigation onto UO back in 2011? Well, take a look at the recent players in this saga and it's not that hard to come up with a cast of characters. Follow the money...

Hilarious. I feel like I'm in a Monty Python sketch; I'm just waiting to hear whether Mark Helfrich is made out of wood. Logically, if he is a Duck, he is made out of wood, and therefore, he must be a witch!

We already know that Adams initially tried to get a guarantee from Oregon that he would start before he would agree to transfer. The Oregon coaches couldn't give him that guarantee; they told him he would have to compete for the job. So he went down to UCLA, but they probably said the same thing. Eventually he picked Oregon. Your own article in the Spokane paper quotes your coach saying that he and Adams had discussed transferring well before Christmas. He wasn't even on Oregon's radar at that time; the rumors were about Braxton Miller transferring.
Transfers like this have been happening for a number of years now, this isn't anything new. Nobody is accusing Russell Wilson of doing something wrong when he transferred from one BCS conference to another. Going from FCS to the big leagues is hardly 'beyond comprehension'. Most FCS players would jump at the chance, as Adams has just done.
 
Phalanx said:
Ewusavage said:
From my standpoint, I'm in no way inferring that any NCAA violations were committed by UO, but I agree that for VA to ask for a release and then reach out to UO not having any prior contact is beyond comprehension...where there's smoke....there's fire. I'm sure all of you remember Will Lyles, UO's recruiting "assistant" that brought an NCAA investigation onto UO back in 2011? Well, take a look at the recent players in this saga and it's not that hard to come up with a cast of characters. Follow the money...

Hilarious. I feel like I'm in a Monty Python sketch; I'm just waiting to hear whether Mark Helfrich is made out of wood. Logically, if he is a Duck, he is made out of wood, and therefore, he must be a witch!

We already know that Adams initially tried to get a guarantee from Oregon that he would start before he would agree to transfer. The Oregon coaches couldn't give him that guarantee; they told him he would have to compete for the job. So he went down to UCLA, but they probably said the same thing. Eventually he picked Oregon. Your own article in the Spokane paper quotes your coach saying that he and Adams had discussed transferring well before Christmas. He wasn't even on Oregon's radar at that time; the rumors were about Braxton Miller transferring.
Transfers like this have been happening for a number of years now, this isn't anything new. Nobody is accusing Russell Wilson of doing something wrong when he transferred from one BCS conference to another. Going from FCS to the big leagues is hardly 'beyond comprehension'. Most FCS players would jump at the chance, as Adams has just done.

i wouldnt go as far as to say Oregon committed recruiting violations. they exploited a loophole in an existing NCAA rule, and well, it is what it is. You say that this is nothing new, but there is a distinction here in that most of the players that used it previously were on their way out of a program. Im not sure how many examples there are out there of a situation that is this unique. Adams was on scholarship during the time that this happened (and actually still is until he graduates). I have some ethical questions about the whole process, but if you are fine with it then more power to you. the bottom line is that this is not what was intended when this rule was originally implemented, and I think it is a bad rule that creates a potentially dangerous precedent. it is not good for college football, and especially not good for FCS or G5 programs who run the risk of having their best players pilfered by the P5 on a yearly basis. I would also be interested in knowing what the actual percentage looks like for players that have used this rule in terms of actually receive a graduate degree. I would imagine that it is very low, yet this was the original intent of the rule. VA will be in Eugene for 6 to 7 months tops and then start training for the combine. quite simply, this rule makes "free agency" possible in the NCAA and it is not good for collegiate athletics.
 
Phalanx said:
Ewusavage said:
From my standpoint, I'm in no way inferring that any NCAA violations were committed by UO, but I agree that for VA to ask for a release and then reach out to UO not having any prior contact is beyond comprehension...where there's smoke....there's fire. I'm sure all of you remember Will Lyles, UO's recruiting "assistant" that brought an NCAA investigation onto UO back in 2011? Well, take a look at the recent players in this saga and it's not that hard to come up with a cast of characters. Follow the money...

Hilarious. I feel like I'm in a Monty Python sketch; I'm just waiting to hear whether Mark Helfrich is made out of wood. Logically, if he is a Duck, he is made out of wood, and therefore, he must be a witch!

We already know that Adams initially tried to get a guarantee from Oregon that he would start before he would agree to transfer. The Oregon coaches couldn't give him that guarantee; they told him he would have to compete for the job. So he went down to UCLA, but they probably said the same thing. Eventually he picked Oregon. Your own article in the Spokane paper quotes your coach saying that he and Adams had discussed transferring well before Christmas. He wasn't even on Oregon's radar at that time; the rumors were about Braxton Miller transferring.
Transfers like this have been happening for a number of years now, this isn't anything new. Nobody is accusing Russell Wilson of doing something wrong when he transferred from one BCS conference to another. Going from FCS to the big leagues is hardly 'beyond comprehension'. Most FCS players would jump at the chance, as Adams has just done.

The Russell Wilson comparison is a horrible comparison and nothing like this one. Russell left NCST to pursue a baseball career. In that time NCST had established a new starting QB and didn't want Russell back. He had received his degree and was able to finish out his career at Wisconsin.

This is a matter of Oregon actively pursuing a player on another team's roster.
 
SpokaneDuck said:
Funny how this has turned into a "Duck Hate" thread.

I guess I can understand the vitriol directed at the Ducks and the "evil empire" of Phil Knight and Nike, considering they just stole the centerpiece of your squad. I get that (for EWU fans) it adds to the already media-hyped narrative that Oregon is an un-ethical program that relies on cheating and back room political interactions to maintain success on a national level. I mean, how else would an historically irrelevant football program rise from the dirt and suddenly become a juggernaut, am I right?

I understand that there are a lot of reasons to hate on the Ducks: the uniforms, the "gimmicky" offense, the bandwagon fans, the over-the-top facilities, the Phil Knight/Nike factor, etc. In a lot of ways the Duck football program is perceived as the equivalent of those guys in high school who we all knew and loathed -- you know, the meat-head types that drove around cars that their daddy's bought for them, flexing their muscles whilst effortlessly attracting all of the pretty girls; eschewing any form of humility or good nature and generally acting like alpha-assholes.

For you EWU fans it feels like Phil Knight and the Ducks just rolled up to your girlfriend's house on prom night in a brand new Mercedes-Benz and decided it's their turn to have your gal, and there's nothing you can do about it. "See you at the dance!" Knight shouts back to you as the Ducks peel down the street with what is yours.

Now that I have acknowledged the heartbreak that this has caused you, I must say that some of you are flat out ignorant to several facets of the Oregon program...

Did you know that this "new coaching staff" that some of you keep referencing is -- in fact -- not new? Yep, you read that correctly. Mark Helfrich (the Duck's head coach) was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach during the entirety of the Chip Kelly era. He started back in the Spring of 2009, and along side Chip Kelly, the two of them installed and executed the tweaks to the now infamous Oregon spread-option attack. I won't forget to mention as well that Helfrich was the main recruiter for much of the talent the Ducks brought in during that era. Helfrich is credited for discovering Marcus Mariota and his unique talents while on a recruiting visit to Hawai'i circa 2010. I'll add as well that 4 of the Duck's current assistant coaches have been coaching at Oregon for over 20 years a piece (Campbell, Pellum, Greatwood, and Radcliffe). If anything, the Oregon program has a rich tradition of coaching continuity and stability, one of the pillars of the Duck's continued success. Our current offensive coordinator and QB coach Scott Frost has been at Oregon for 5 years now, so he too was a disciple of Chip Kelly. Frost was also the starting QB that led the '97 Nebraska Cornhuskers to a National Championship win over Peyton Manning's Tennessee squad.

So for those arguing that VA is stepping into a program that is "dying," or merely a shell of the Chip Kelly era, I am here to tell you that you are wrong. Helfrich and Frost are just as responsible (if not more so) for the offensive design and recruitment of quality skill players as Kelly is/was.

The Ducks offered Vernon Adam's because Vernon is a stud football player, regardless of his FCS classification. Oregon is returning what is likely to be its most skilled and potent set of offensive playmakers in Duck history this coming fall. It's an embarrassment of riches, to be honest with you. The coaching staff obviously recognized that, and made a move to maximize their abilities by bringing in VA.

Oregon has two 4-star quarterbacks that will be competing with last year's back up (Jeff Lockie) this coming spring. One of those 4-stars is an incoming true-freshman who was one of the top rated dual-threat QB's in the nation this last fall. The other is coming off of his redshirt-freshman year, but has zero game experience. The Ducks already have another highly-touted 4-star QB incoming for the 2016 class, and another QB out of Hawai'i in the 2017 class who will most likely end up a 5-star guy. (Feel free to check these facts http://oregon.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

The Ducks are actually recruiting at a higher level now than they were when Chip Kelly was at the helm.

Bringing in VA was a smart move for the program while some of the youth develops, and that is all there is to it. You all can sit around and pretend that the Ducks can't recruit or develop QB talent all that you'd like. I'm just here to tell you that those theories are contrary to fact.

As for recent achievements, you guys feel free to knock on the Duck's success to your heart's content. A Heisman trophy, PAC-12 Title, Rose Bowl Win, and National Title Game appearance this past season feels pretty damn satisfying to this Duck fan.

Lastly, those points made about Ohio State and the "blueprint for beating the Ducks" is pretty sharp. The Ducks are going to need all the help they can get trying to figure out how to take down the Big-Sky champion Eastern Washington Eagles.

I'm sure Helfrich and company have already been in contact with Illinois State and Northern Arizona. They both seem to have the blueprint to stopping the mighty EWU attack.

*Gobbles up his bread pieces, waddles off stage*

I actually got a pretty good laugh out of this, so thanks. With that being said, if you think Oregon hasn't participated in shady recruiting practices in the past or that there's no culpability on their part in how this played out, then I have some beach front property in Iowa to sell you.
 
EWURanger said:
In other news...we have a pretty awesome basketball team. Just sayin, may be time to stop :dead: :D

Agreed. This isn't going anywhere. Being lectured by Oregon fans about NCAA rules and regulations is hysterical! The Eags are going to be fine. VA didn't want to be here anymore but there are 90 guys on this team that do want to be here and that's who I care about. This will soon be a memory but we'll still have an awesome team to watch and root for! We may not have Nike money, a billion uniforms, or even Vernon Adams, but damn it, we're still Eastern!! We love EWU because we ARE a small school with players who love the game, not flash and fame. We'll go to Eugene on September 5th and we may get our clocks cleaned but it won't matter cause we'll still love our team, university and staff!

God Bless and Go Eags!
 
Well, just watched the press conference clip. Reminded, once again, that EWU has a tremendous leader at the helm of the football program. And, that AD ain't bad either! Very proud to be an Eagle fan.
 
eaglesfootball said:
i wouldnt go as far as to say Oregon committed recruiting violations. they exploited a loophole in an existing NCAA rule, and well, it is what it is. You say that this is nothing new, but there is a distinction here in that most of the players that used it previously were on their way out of a program. Im not sure how many examples there are out there of a situation that is this unique. Adams was on scholarship during the time that this happened (and actually still is until he graduates). I have some ethical questions about the whole process, but if you are fine with it then more power to you. the bottom line is that this is not what was intended when this rule was originally implemented, and I think it is a bad rule that creates a potentially dangerous precedent. it is not good for college football, and especially not good for FCS or G5 programs who run the risk of having their best players pilfered by the P5 on a yearly basis. I would also be interested in knowing what the actual percentage looks like for players that have used this rule in terms of actually receive a graduate degree. I would imagine that it is very low, yet this was the original intent of the rule. VA will be in Eugene for 6 to 7 months tops and then start training for the combine. quite simply, this rule makes "free agency" possible in the NCAA and it is not good for collegiate athletics.

It is interesting to me that the same team that liked the idea of redshirting a player so that they could hold him for an extra year while he grew and got training is now crying foul when that player leaves after four years. It seems like your coach wants his cake and eat it too. The 'free agent' thing only applies when teams redshirt players, so I guess your coach has it in his power to prevent this from ever happening again. One good 'loophole' deserves another, or as we say in Oregon, 'what's good for the Eagle is good for the Duck'.

I was also kinda bummed to listen to coach Baldwin appear to rip on FCS football at one point in his radio interview, mocking Oregon for wanting one of your players. Does he feel the same about the Raiders because they liked Taiwan Jones? is it generally considered pathetic for a team to like players from Eastern Washington (or Northern Iowa?)

It seems like Beau and the radio hosts had a nice laugh at a team who they are about to visit this fall. I guess we'll see if that was a wise choice. See you in September, coach.
 
So you guys continue to laud Beau Baldwin as this loyal, Eagle-loving saint of a coach; yet just two months ago while in preparation for heated-rival Montana, he said this: "By no means would I not be interested in hearing from a school at the Pac-12 level.” - Beau Baldwin (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/dec/05/ewu-coach-beau-baldwin-mentioned-as-strong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Even Chip Kelly had the ethical capacity to belay NFL talk until after the season was over.

So how are Vernon and Beau any different? Vernon put in his four years at EWU and is going to graduate with his bachelor's. He decided to take his final year of eligibility elsewhere to chase his dreams and raise his profile. It looks like even your coach had/has similar aspirations. The only difference is that Vernon got his ticket out, while Beau got left at the terminal.

Judging by his comments in that press conference, he sure doesn't seem to have much faith in the talent that flows through the FCS.

How will you all feel toward Baldwin when he jumps ship to Washington State next season after the Leach regime ends its unravelling?
 
SpokaneDuck said:
So you guys continue to laud Beau Baldwin as this loyal, Eagle-loving saint of a coach; yet just two months ago while in preparation for heated-rival Montana, he said this: "By no means would I not be interested in hearing from a school at the Pac-12 level.” - Beau Baldwin (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/dec/05/ewu-coach-beau-baldwin-mentioned-as-strong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Even Chip Kelly had the ethical capacity to belay NFL talk until after the season was over.

So how are Vernon and Beau any different? Vernon put in his four years at EWU and is going to graduate with his bachelor's. He decided to take his final year of eligibility elsewhere to chase his dreams and raise his profile. It looks like even your coach had/has similar aspirations. The only difference is that Vernon got his ticket out, while Beau got left at the terminal.

Judging by his comments in that press conference, he sure doesn't seem to have much faith in the talent that flows through the FCS.

How will you all feel toward Baldwin when he jumps ship to Washington State next season after the Leach regime ends its unravelling?

Just come to terms with the sad truth that you are a fan of an unethical program. Quit attempting to justify UO's behavior. Now move on cheater, cheater. :lol:
 
Hambone said:
The intermediary in this was the high school coach. That has been known for some time.
Just read Bud Withers article in the Seattle Times...his high school coach played a huge part I feel in the decision. Also if I was one of his former teammates would definately be annoyed by him walking around in O gear.
 
Phalanx said:
Ewusavage said:
From my standpoint, I'm in no way inferring that any NCAA violations were committed by UO, but I agree that for VA to ask for a release and then reach out to UO not having any prior contact is beyond comprehension...where there's smoke....there's fire. I'm sure all of you remember Will Lyles, UO's recruiting "assistant" that brought an NCAA investigation onto UO back in 2011? Well, take a look at the recent players in this saga and it's not that hard to come up with a cast of characters. Follow the money...

Hilarious. I feel like I'm in a Monty Python sketch; I'm just waiting to hear whether Mark Helfrich is made out of wood. Logically, if he is a Duck, he is made out of wood, and therefore, he must be a witch!

We already know that Adams initially tried to get a guarantee from Oregon that he would start before he would agree to transfer. The Oregon coaches couldn't give him that guarantee; they told him he would have to compete for the job. So he went down to UCLA, but they probably said the same thing. Eventually he picked Oregon. Your own article in the Spokane paper quotes your coach saying that he and Adams had discussed transferring well before Christmas. He wasn't even on Oregon's radar at that time; the rumors were about Braxton Miller transferring.
Transfers like this have been happening for a number of years now, this isn't anything new. Nobody is accusing Russell Wilson of doing something wrong when he transferred from one BCS conference to another. Going from FCS to the big leagues is hardly 'beyond comprehension'. Most FCS players would jump at the chance, as Adams has just done.

Well if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.... then it must a be a bandwagoning douchebag. :thumb:
 
SpokaneDuck said:
So you guys continue to laud Beau Baldwin as this loyal, Eagle-loving saint of a coach; yet just two months ago while in preparation for heated-rival Montana, he said this: "By no means would I not be interested in hearing from a school at the Pac-12 level.” - Beau Baldwin (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/dec/05/ewu-coach-beau-baldwin-mentioned-as-strong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Even Chip Kelly had the ethical capacity to belay NFL talk until after the season was over.

So how are Vernon and Beau any different? Vernon put in his four years at EWU and is going to graduate with his bachelor's. He decided to take his final year of eligibility elsewhere to chase his dreams and raise his profile. It looks like even your coach had/has similar aspirations. The only difference is that Vernon got his ticket out, while Beau got left at the terminal.

Judging by his comments in that press conference, he sure doesn't seem to have much faith in the talent that flows through the FCS.

How will you all feel toward Baldwin when he jumps ship to Washington State next season after the Leach regime ends its unravelling?

Oregon pursued a player on another team, simple as that. It is a nasty, dirty and unethical tactic that shows absolute contempt for any sort of integrity. It is my hope that Vernon lights it up because I want to see that young man to continue to be successful. However, I am very fearful for Vernon because he means zero to Oregon. He is an experiment and they don't give a single crap about him outside of how Vernon will benifit their program.

As far as Beau goes, he has been honest. He has been a great leader and has shown a tremendous amount of integrity. I think most Eagle fans know that Beau will leave us sometime, but I'm confident that when that time comes it will be with honesty and respect.

I do not believe the terms honesty, respect, or integrity have anything in common with the Oregon Duck football program.
 
GoldenEagle said:
SpokaneDuck said:
So you guys continue to laud Beau Baldwin as this loyal, Eagle-loving saint of a coach; yet just two months ago while in preparation for heated-rival Montana, he said this: "By no means would I not be interested in hearing from a school at the Pac-12 level.” - Beau Baldwin (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/dec/05/ewu-coach-beau-baldwin-mentioned-as-strong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Even Chip Kelly had the ethical capacity to belay NFL talk until after the season was over.

So how are Vernon and Beau any different? Vernon put in his four years at EWU and is going to graduate with his bachelor's. He decided to take his final year of eligibility elsewhere to chase his dreams and raise his profile. It looks like even your coach had/has similar aspirations. The only difference is that Vernon got his ticket out, while Beau got left at the terminal.

Judging by his comments in that press conference, he sure doesn't seem to have much faith in the talent that flows through the FCS.

How will you all feel toward Baldwin when he jumps ship to Washington State next season after the Leach regime ends its unravelling?

Just come to terms with the sad truth that you are a fan of an unethical program. Quit attempting to justify UO's behavior. Now move on cheater, cheater. :lol:

Chip Kelly was caught cheating and -- subsequently -- left for the NFL. Phil Knight I'm sure has been involved in plenty of shady interactions. Mark Helfrich (this may just be a rumor) once farted on an elevator full of recruits and tried to pin it on an offensive line prospect.

The Ducks got caught cheating, we lost some scholarships, and everybody knows it about. I deny nothing.

At the end of the day I can say these two things that you can't:
1.) I know who the coach of my football team will be for at least the next 5 years (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12302276/mark-helfrich-oregon-ducks-gets-five-year-175m-contract-extension" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
2.) My team will continue to be relevant on a national stage for years to come

Enjoy the 15 minutes of fame that Vernon Adams has brought to your squad and your flame-filled forum, EWU fan!
 
SpokaneDuck said:
GoldenEagle said:
SpokaneDuck said:
So you guys continue to laud Beau Baldwin as this loyal, Eagle-loving saint of a coach; yet just two months ago while in preparation for heated-rival Montana, he said this: "By no means would I not be interested in hearing from a school at the Pac-12 level.” - Beau Baldwin (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/dec/05/ewu-coach-beau-baldwin-mentioned-as-strong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Even Chip Kelly had the ethical capacity to belay NFL talk until after the season was over.

So how are Vernon and Beau any different? Vernon put in his four years at EWU and is going to graduate with his bachelor's. He decided to take his final year of eligibility elsewhere to chase his dreams and raise his profile. It looks like even your coach had/has similar aspirations. The only difference is that Vernon got his ticket out, while Beau got left at the terminal.

Judging by his comments in that press conference, he sure doesn't seem to have much faith in the talent that flows through the FCS.

How will you all feel toward Baldwin when he jumps ship to Washington State next season after the Leach regime ends its unravelling?

Just come to terms with the sad truth that you are a fan of an unethical program. Quit attempting to justify UO's behavior. Now move on cheater, cheater. :lol:

Chip Kelly was caught cheating and -- subsequently -- left for the NFL. Phil Knight I'm sure has been involved in plenty of shady interactions. Mark Helfrich (this may just be a rumor) once farted on an elevator full of recruits and tried to pin it on an offensive line prospect.

The Ducks got caught cheating, we lost some scholarships, and everybody knows it about. I deny nothing.

At the end of the day I can say these two things that you can't:
1.) I know who the coach of my football team will be for at least the next 5 years (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12302276/mark-helfrich-oregon-ducks-gets-five-year-175m-contract-extension" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
2.) My team will continue to be relevant on a national stage for years to come

Enjoy the 15 minutes of fame that Vernon Adams has brought to your squad and your flame-filled forum, EWU fan!

Epic fail.

1) EWU extended Baldwin with a new 5 year contract. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/jan/29/beau-baldwins-new-contract-worth-212k-year/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2) EWU has won a NC in the last 5 years, and been in the national college football playoffs (you know, the real one) 5 of the last 6 years, and 8 of the last 11. EWU has been more successful nationally at the FCS level than Oregon has been nationally at the FBS level over the last decade.

Try again.
 
SpokaneDuck said:
GoldenEagle said:
SpokaneDuck said:
So you guys continue to laud Beau Baldwin as this loyal, Eagle-loving saint of a coach; yet just two months ago while in preparation for heated-rival Montana, he said this: "By no means would I not be interested in hearing from a school at the Pac-12 level.” - Beau Baldwin (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/dec/05/ewu-coach-beau-baldwin-mentioned-as-strong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Even Chip Kelly had the ethical capacity to belay NFL talk until after the season was over.

So how are Vernon and Beau any different? Vernon put in his four years at EWU and is going to graduate with his bachelor's. He decided to take his final year of eligibility elsewhere to chase his dreams and raise his profile. It looks like even your coach had/has similar aspirations. The only difference is that Vernon got his ticket out, while Beau got left at the terminal.

Judging by his comments in that press conference, he sure doesn't seem to have much faith in the talent that flows through the FCS.

How will you all feel toward Baldwin when he jumps ship to Washington State next season after the Leach regime ends its unravelling?

Just come to terms with the sad truth that you are a fan of an unethical program. Quit attempting to justify UO's behavior. Now move on cheater, cheater. :lol:

Chip Kelly was caught cheating and -- subsequently -- left for the NFL. Phil Knight I'm sure has been involved in plenty of shady interactions. Mark Helfrich (this may just be a rumor) once farted on an elevator full of recruits and tried to pin it on an offensive line prospect.

The Ducks got caught cheating, we lost some scholarships, and everybody knows it about. I deny nothing.

At the end of the day I can say these two things that you can't:
1.) I know who the coach of my football team will be for at least the next 5 years (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12302276/mark-helfrich-oregon-ducks-gets-five-year-175m-contract-extension" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
2.) My team will continue to be relevant on a national stage for years to come

Enjoy the 15 minutes of fame that Vernon Adams has brought to your squad and your flame-filled forum, EWU fan!

Hmm....the year before VA committed to EWU we won the national championship, the year he red shirted our QB at the time won the Payton and just won the Grey Cup in the CFL this year. Not sure you could find an Oregon QB in the last 20 years with the after college success of our last QB, or even the two before that....
 
SpokaneDuck said:
GoldenEagle said:
SpokaneDuck said:
So you guys continue to laud Beau Baldwin as this loyal, Eagle-loving saint of a coach; yet just two months ago while in preparation for heated-rival Montana, he said this: "By no means would I not be interested in hearing from a school at the Pac-12 level.” - Beau Baldwin (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/dec/05/ewu-coach-beau-baldwin-mentioned-as-strong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Even Chip Kelly had the ethical capacity to belay NFL talk until after the season was over.

So how are Vernon and Beau any different? Vernon put in his four years at EWU and is going to graduate with his bachelor's. He decided to take his final year of eligibility elsewhere to chase his dreams and raise his profile. It looks like even your coach had/has similar aspirations. The only difference is that Vernon got his ticket out, while Beau got left at the terminal.

Judging by his comments in that press conference, he sure doesn't seem to have much faith in the talent that flows through the FCS.

How will you all feel toward Baldwin when he jumps ship to Washington State next season after the Leach regime ends its unravelling?

Just come to terms with the sad truth that you are a fan of an unethical program. Quit attempting to justify UO's behavior. Now move on cheater, cheater. :lol:

Chip Kelly was caught cheating and -- subsequently -- left for the NFL. Phil Knight I'm sure has been involved in plenty of shady interactions. Mark Helfrich (this may just be a rumor) once farted on an elevator full of recruits and tried to pin it on an offensive line prospect.

The Ducks got caught cheating, we lost some scholarships, and everybody knows it about. I deny nothing.

At the end of the day I can say these two things that you can't:
1.) I know who the coach of my football team will be for at least the next 5 years (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12302276/mark-helfrich-oregon-ducks-gets-five-year-175m-contract-extension" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
2.) My team will continue to be relevant on a national stage for years to come

Enjoy the 15 minutes of fame that Vernon Adams has brought to your squad and your flame-filled forum, EWU fan!

Why are you on this board? Besides getting your arguments squashed repeatedly, you seem like you are here to gloat that your team is unethical and lacks integrity.

On top of these things, I'm sure you will be leading the Duck charge to trash Vernon if things don't work out according to plan, that just seems like how you work.
 
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