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Newsflash. Every single FCS championship has been played with quarterbacks not named Vernon Adams. Eastern has won Big Sky titles and a national title with quarterbacks not named Vernon Adams. Seriously, what 20 something kid would not be attracted to a Pac 12 program. I suspect many on this board are old enough to be VA's father or close to it so we have the experience to know he's probably making a mistake. But remember all the dumb crap you did to get that experience? Yeah you would do what he's doing too so don't hold that against him. If he was a good kid here, he'll be a good kid there too.

He's just not an Eagle anymore and will forever not have a football family. You can bet your ass that anything less than a national title at UO and their fans won't even remember who is. He won't ever be considered a duck and lost the right to be a true Eagle but I don't care, he isn't trashing us or being venomous or malicious, he's chasing a dream. I have no ill will toward him at all and really don't care if he succeeds or fails at UO in very much the same way he couldn't care less about my success or lack thereof.

There are going to be a lot of good kids busting their asses on the red turf this spring and fall and one thing is certain, there is a much better chance of a FCS champion QB to be named Jordon West or Reilly Hennessey than Vernon Adams. I'm glad it's over so we can get on with winning. Prosperity is born from adversity.
GO EAGS!!!!!
 
Glad to see a lot of new members sign up to weigh in. I hope you all stick around; it's always great having more red white offer their insight and passion! Go Eags!
 
I think Oregon will buyout or delay this game which would allow us to pay someone to come in September 5th at the D2 level. That'd be a softer landing for us realistically before boarding a plane to a tough Northern Iowa opponent the next week.

While I prefer loyalty I can see how VA would hedge on the upside prospects. The lack of defensive support, non action by the university regarding a stadium expansion, completely dominating the league (especially the woeful on and off field and formerly formidable grizzly program over the last 3-4 years) leave him little to achieve at EWU. We love our competition but our league leaves a lot to be desired in providing national exposure for the NFL. A lot of people have said stay and if you are good enough you will make it. My opinion is that he's achieved all of what's in his control and could have used that logic to bail for the NFL this past year. Oregon can make the same claim to chase the national championship that we can so as much as it hurts, I can see his reasoning.

What's not so certain though is Oregon and that coaching staff. To not have this position locked up and bank rolled with 3-4 studs is very telling in my opinion, especially after getting run in the national championship game. The story here really isn't about EWU and especially not our conference. It's about Oregon and an obvious level of unprepared desperation which is shocking. This coach managed to get Chip Kelly's kids to that game but this and next year will tell us a lot about that staff. Not impressed.

As far as VA when he lands there, I do think he will play. He won't have a Beau Baldwin level guy helping him but he may not need it at this point. I do believe Oregon will have to adjust their offense to VA's strengths and not the other way around. If that's impossible, then this could implode. The last thing VA should be doing is anything read option. He's a pocket guy and the Marriotta offense will leave Vernon exposed and he's simply not fast enough to do that. His 40 time will not be impressive when he has to go through testing in my opinion. The hectic pace they run will suit him however as I believe he's at his best in a reactionary mode and he's also the smartest QB at the line of scrimmage that we've seen at EWU. Those two factors work in Oregon's favor but I think they will have to run EWU's style offense or Vernon will end up like Halladay, a bug on a windshield.

As far as our future, we have the best coach in the conference and barring injury, we will be battling at the top of the conference all of next season. MSU has about 50 new players just like Sam Houston did but in my opinion, Ash is not the coach that KC Keeler is so that has the makings of a pileup on I-5. Their QB will have to be all world to hold it together for 3 months. The Grizzlies will still be cute thorns but still too self involved to exist legitimately...much like Tiger Woods. The real league test for everyone will be Kramer's bunch in Pocatello. I think he's due for a league title and he gets us all at his place so look out for him but this departure doesn't mean that EWU is all of a sudden middle of the pack. Beau isn't taking in transfers, signing 3 others just in case...Coach has been ready for this all along.

Finally, I do hope VA earns a starting spot and takes them back to the championship and his draft stock is high. He's gone from EWU now so it's time to move on as we all do like him.
 
56n92 said:
Newsflash. Every single FCS championship has been played with quarterbacks not named Vernon Adams. Eastern has won Big Sky titles and a national title with quarterbacks not named Vernon Adams. Seriously, what 20 something kid would not be attracted to a Pac 12 program. I suspect many on this board are old enough to be VA's father or close to it so we have the experience to know he's probably making a mistake. But remember all the dumb crap you did to get that experience? Yeah you would do what he's doing too so don't hold that against him. If he was a good kid here, he'll be a good kid there too.

He's just not an Eagle anymore and will forever not have a football family. You can bet your ass that anything less than a national title at UO and their fans won't even remember who is. He won't ever be considered a duck and lost the right to be a true Eagle but I don't care, he isn't trashing us or being venomous or malicious, he's chasing a dream. I have no ill will toward him at all and really don't care if he succeeds or fails at UO in very much the same way he couldn't care less about my success or lack thereof.

There are going to be a lot of good kids busting their asses on the red turf this spring and fall and one thing is certain, there is a much better chance of a FCS champion QB to be named Jordon West or Reilly Hennessey than Vernon Adams. I'm glad it's over so we can get on with winning. Prosperity is born from adversity.
GO EAGS!!!!!



AAAAAH!! Thank you for summing up EXACTLY how I feel. I want to be angry for 10 minutes and then move forward ASAP with this next season. Let's go Jordan and Reilly! Take us to Frisco.
 
EWUSigep447 said:
56n92 said:
Newsflash. Every single FCS championship has been played with quarterbacks not named Vernon Adams. Eastern has won Big Sky titles and a national title with quarterbacks not named Vernon Adams. Seriously, what 20 something kid would not be attracted to a Pac 12 program. I suspect many on this board are old enough to be VA's father or close to it so we have the experience to know he's probably making a mistake. But remember all the dumb crap you did to get that experience? Yeah you would do what he's doing too so don't hold that against him. If he was a good kid here, he'll be a good kid there too.

He's just not an Eagle anymore and will forever not have a football family. You can bet your ass that anything less than a national title at UO and their fans won't even remember who is. He won't ever be considered a duck and lost the right to be a true Eagle but I don't care, he isn't trashing us or being venomous or malicious, he's chasing a dream. I have no ill will toward him at all and really don't care if he succeeds or fails at UO in very much the same way he couldn't care less about my success or lack thereof.

There are going to be a lot of good kids busting their asses on the red turf this spring and fall and one thing is certain, there is a much better chance of a FCS champion QB to be named Jordon West or Reilly Hennessey than Vernon Adams. I'm glad it's over so we can get on with winning. Prosperity is born from adversity.
GO EAGS!!!!!



AAAAAH!! Thank you for summing up EXACTLY how I feel. I want to be angry for 10 minutes and then move forward ASAP with this next season. Let's go Jordan and Reilly! Take us to Frisco.

Get us out of Cheney at least :)
 
On 700 ESPN yesterday while discussing the VA transfer Beau Baldwin said coaches at Oregon should looking at their program and asking themselves whats wrong with their program, that they have to raid an FCS school for their players. He said " you don't see Urban Meyer looking for his next QB at Northern Iowa". :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good one Beau!
 
DestroOPS said:
Somebody just compared EWU to Ohio State. Let that sink in for a bit. You guys are lower tier. Can't fault a kid for wanting to play big time college football.

Oregon has how many National Championships?

If the Ducks win nobody thinks a thing of it. When EWU wins, or plays it close just like we did with Oregon State or Washington the world will see what is what.

Oregon has everything to lose and nothing to gain in this matchup, and our players and coaches will be even more highly motivated. Motivation can be a great equalizer when teamed with great coaches. We'll have both.
 
clawman said:
On 700 ESPN yesterday while discussing the VA transfer Beau Baldwin said coaches at Oregon should looking at their program and asking themselves whats wrong with their program, that they have to raid an FCS school for their players. He said " you don't see Urban Meyer looking for his next QB at Northern Iowa". :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good one Beau!

Beau just laying down the smack. I love to see it.
 
clawman said:
On 700 ESPN yesterday while discussing the VA transfer Beau Baldwin said coaches at Oregon should looking at their program and asking themselves whats wrong with their program, that they have to raid an FCS school for their players. He said " you don't see Urban Meyer looking for his next QB at Northern Iowa". :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good one Beau!

Yeah odd that they are "cherry picking" from the lower tier!
 
Screamin_Eagle174 said:
Glad to see a lot of new members sign up to weigh in. I hope you alal stick around; it's always great having more red white offer their insight and passion! Go Eags!

YES, YES, It is great to see the board light up.
 
56n92 said:
Newsflash. Every single FCS championship has been played with quarterbacks not named Vernon Adams. Eastern has won Big Sky titles and a national title with quarterbacks not named Vernon Adams. Seriously, what 20 something kid would not be attracted to a Pac 12 program. I suspect many on this board are old enough to be VA's father or close to it so we have the experience to know he's probably making a mistake. But remember all the dumb crap you did to get that experience? Yeah you would do what he's doing too so don't hold that against him. If he was a good kid here, he'll be a good kid there too.

He's just not an Eagle anymore and will forever not have a football family. You can bet your ass that anything less than a national title at UO and their fans won't even remember who is. He won't ever be considered a duck and lost the right to be a true Eagle but I don't care, he isn't trashing us or being venomous or malicious, he's chasing a dream. I have no ill will toward him at all and really don't care if he succeeds or fails at UO in very much the same way he couldn't care less about my success or lack thereof.

There are going to be a lot of good kids busting their asses on the red turf this spring and fall and one thing is certain, there is a much better chance of a FCS champion QB to be named Jordon West or Reilly Hennessey than Vernon Adams. I'm glad it's over so we can get on with winning. Prosperity is born from adversity.
GO EAGS!!!!!
DING DING DING!!!

My favorite post yet on this subject.
 
I gave myself a full day to stew on this. I will support Vernon no matter what, he elevated the team and university to new heights and provided me with some of the best football I have ever seen, plus he beat the Griz four times. He seems like a genuinely good guy and I cant blame him for thinking this is the best option for himself and family (whether it is or not). I will still root for him even as a duck (I hate typing that). I hope this move does not back fire and I hope the increased exposure will only help his chances of playing in the NFL and making some bucks.

However...

FUCK OREGON, IN THE ASS WITH A BIG RUBBER DICK. Recruit and develop your own players. If your program is so elite, you wouldn't have to pillage the local FCS school.
 
MTcowpoke said:
VA is a great FCS quarterback. In my opinion, VA will not be drafted by an NFL team and he will not make a 53 man NFL roster in 2016.


Damn, I didn't realize we had Mel Kiper on the board.
 
clawman said:
On 700 ESPN yesterday while discussing the VA transfer Beau Baldwin said coaches at Oregon should looking at their program and asking themselves whats wrong with their program, that they have to raid an FCS school for their players. He said " you don't see Urban Meyer looking for his next QB at Northern Iowa". :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good one Beau!

Hi all, first time poster. I've read through this whole thread, and I guess I have a different perspective than many of you. First of all, Adams is the one who initiated the recruiting, not Oregon. Adams has been thinking about transferring for awhile now, and he always wanted to be in the Pac 12, and particularly to play for Oregon. Oregon has a unique problem this year in that their Heisman-winning QB declared early for the draft. Vernon saw the opportunity and contacted Oregon, as well as UCLA who was in a similar situation, having just lost their junior QB as well. I think your coach is being disingenuous by leveling this criticism against Oregon publicly when he knows that Vernon was the one who made the decision. Should Oregon have said, "Nah, we need a QB for a year, but a guy with your skills should just stay down at the FCS level"??

I also think some of you are missing the positives for your program here. Instead of criticizing Oregon for 'raiding your FCS school', you should recognize that this is huge advertisement for your team, who most college football fans barely heard of before this. Vernon Adams is going to be a one-man advertising campaign for your school for the next year (if he wins the starting gig). Every televised game that Oregon plays in, announcers will introduce him by saying 'the transfer from Eastern Washington'. This is great pub, guys! You should be proud of your player and your program that develops a player to the point that he can replace a Heisman trophy winner, just like you would be proud if he made it to the NFL.

I get that it will suck if he is starting against you this fall. Just know that the last thing Oregon fans are thinking is 'haha, we're using your QB against you'. Most duck fans are just wondering if he can cut the mustard against Michigan State in East Lansing this year. I don't think the ducks should even be playing FCS schools now that there is a playoff board to impress, but the coaches must have thought your team was a good challenge.

I know that after the initial grieving process takes place (we just lost our junior QB too, don't forget) most of you will be rooting for Adams to make good at Oregon. It makes you look good on so many fronts. He's your QB; we are just borrowing him for a year while our two young four-star QB's get another year of seasoning. I, for one, am way more impressed with your program as a result of this transfer, and I know others are as well.

Good luck this year, go Eagles and go Ducks!
 
Funny how this has turned into a "Duck Hate" thread.

I guess I can understand the vitriol directed at the Ducks and the "evil empire" of Phil Knight and Nike, considering they just stole the centerpiece of your squad. I get that (for EWU fans) it adds to the already media-hyped narrative that Oregon is an un-ethical program that relies on cheating and back room political interactions to maintain success on a national level. I mean, how else would an historically irrelevant football program rise from the dirt and suddenly become a juggernaut, am I right?

I understand that there are a lot of reasons to hate on the Ducks: the uniforms, the "gimmicky" offense, the bandwagon fans, the over-the-top facilities, the Phil Knight/Nike factor, etc. In a lot of ways the Duck football program is perceived as the equivalent of those guys in high school who we all knew and loathed -- you know, the meat-head types that drove around cars that their daddy's bought for them, flexing their muscles whilst effortlessly attracting all of the pretty girls; eschewing any form of humility or good nature and generally acting like alpha-assholes.

For you EWU fans it feels like Phil Knight and the Ducks just rolled up to your girlfriend's house on prom night in a brand new Mercedes-Benz and decided it's their turn to have your gal, and there's nothing you can do about it. "See you at the dance!" Knight shouts back to you as the Ducks peel down the street with what is yours.

Now that I have acknowledged the heartbreak that this has caused you, I must say that some of you are flat out ignorant to several facets of the Oregon program...

Did you know that this "new coaching staff" that some of you keep referencing is -- in fact -- not new? Yep, you read that correctly. Mark Helfrich (the Duck's head coach) was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach during the entirety of the Chip Kelly era. He started back in the Spring of 2009, and along side Chip Kelly, the two of them installed and executed the tweaks to the now infamous Oregon spread-option attack. I won't forget to mention as well that Helfrich was the main recruiter for much of the talent the Ducks brought in during that era. Helfrich is credited for discovering Marcus Mariota and his unique talents while on a recruiting visit to Hawai'i circa 2010. I'll add as well that 4 of the Duck's current assistant coaches have been coaching at Oregon for over 20 years a piece (Campbell, Pellum, Greatwood, and Radcliffe). If anything, the Oregon program has a rich tradition of coaching continuity and stability, one of the pillars of the Duck's continued success. Our current offensive coordinator and QB coach Scott Frost has been at Oregon for 5 years now, so he too was a disciple of Chip Kelly. Frost was also the starting QB that led the '97 Nebraska Cornhuskers to a National Championship win over Peyton Manning's Tennessee squad.

So for those arguing that VA is stepping into a program that is "dying," or merely a shell of the Chip Kelly era, I am here to tell you that you are wrong. Helfrich and Frost are just as responsible (if not more so) for the offensive design and recruitment of quality skill players as Kelly is/was.

The Ducks offered Vernon Adam's because Vernon is a stud football player, regardless of his FCS classification. Oregon is returning what is likely to be its most skilled and potent set of offensive playmakers in Duck history this coming fall. It's an embarrassment of riches, to be honest with you. The coaching staff obviously recognized that, and made a move to maximize their abilities by bringing in VA.

Oregon has two 4-star quarterbacks that will be competing with last year's back up (Jeff Lockie) this coming spring. One of those 4-stars is an incoming true-freshman who was one of the top rated dual-threat QB's in the nation this last fall. The other is coming off of his redshirt-freshman year, but has zero game experience. The Ducks already have another highly-touted 4-star QB incoming for the 2016 class, and another QB out of Hawai'i in the 2017 class who will most likely end up a 5-star guy. (Feel free to check these facts http://oregon.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

The Ducks are actually recruiting at a higher level now than they were when Chip Kelly was at the helm.

Bringing in VA was a smart move for the program while some of the youth develops, and that is all there is to it. You all can sit around and pretend that the Ducks can't recruit or develop QB talent all that you'd like. I'm just here to tell you that those theories are contrary to fact.

As for recent achievements, you guys feel free to knock on the Duck's success to your heart's content. A Heisman trophy, PAC-12 Title, Rose Bowl Win, and National Title Game appearance this past season feels pretty damn satisfying to this Duck fan.

Lastly, those points made about Ohio State and the "blueprint for beating the Ducks" is pretty sharp. The Ducks are going to need all the help they can get trying to figure out how to take down the Big-Sky champion Eastern Washington Eagles.

I'm sure Helfrich and company have already been in contact with Illinois State and Northern Arizona. They both seem to have the blueprint to stopping the mighty EWU attack.

*Gobbles up his bread pieces, waddles off stage*
 
Phalanx said:
clawman said:
On 700 ESPN yesterday while discussing the VA transfer Beau Baldwin said coaches at Oregon should looking at their program and asking themselves whats wrong with their program, that they have to raid an FCS school for their players. He said " you don't see Urban Meyer looking for his next QB at Northern Iowa". :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good one Beau!

Hi all, first time poster. I've read through this whole thread, and I guess I have a different perspective than many of you. First of all, Adams is the one who initiated the recruiting, not Oregon. Adams has been thinking about transferring for awhile now, and he always wanted to be in the Pac 12, and particularly to play for Oregon. Oregon has a unique problem this year in that their Heisman-winning QB declared early for the draft. Vernon saw the opportunity and contacted Oregon, as well as UCLA who was in a similar situation, having just lost their junior QB as well. I think your coach is being disingenuous by leveling this criticism against Oregon publicly when he knows that Vernon was the one who made the decision. Should Oregon have said, "Nah, we need a QB for a year, but a guy with your skills should just stay down at the FCS level"??

I also think some of you are missing the positives for your program here. Instead of criticizing Oregon for 'raiding your FCS school', you should recognize that this is huge advertisement for your team, who most college football fans barely heard of before this. Vernon Adams is going to be a one-man advertising campaign for your school for the next year (if he wins the starting gig). Every televised game that Oregon plays in, announcers will introduce him by saying 'the transfer from Eastern Washington'. This is great pub, guys! You should be proud of your player and your program that develops a player to the point that he can replace a Heisman trophy winner, just like you would be proud if he made it to the NFL.

I get that it will suck if he is starting against you this fall. Just know that the last thing Oregon fans are thinking is 'haha, we're using your QB against you'. Most duck fans are just wondering if he can cut the mustard against Michigan State in East Lansing this year. I don't think the ducks should even be playing FCS schools now that there is a playoff board to impress, but the coaches must have thought your team was a good challenge.

I know that after the initial grieving process takes place (we just lost our junior QB too, don't forget) most of you will be rooting for Adams to make good at Oregon. It makes you look good on so many fronts. He's your QB; we are just borrowing him for a year while our two young four-star QB's get another year of seasoning. I, for one, am way more impressed with your program as a result of this transfer, and I know others are as well.

Good luck this year, go Eagles and go Ducks!
Do you honestly believe that a QB at the FCS level is going to ask to be released from his scholarship and thus burn that bridge on the mere hope that a BCS NC contender would be legitimately interested in signing and starting him? C'mon now. VA clearly had someone from Oregon either directly or through an intermediary tell him they were interested... while he was still on scholarship with EWU. I know you're probably a Ducks fan, but please don't be so naive.

I mean, if I hear there's an opening for president of another company, I'm not quitting my job to apply unless someone from that company tells me the job's mine. And in VA's case, it's an NCAA violation for anyone affiliated with Oregon to give him that idea while he's still on scholarship.
 
Screamin_Eagle174 said:
Do you honestly believe that a QB at the FCS level is going to ask to be released from his scholarship and thus burn that bridge on the mere hope that a BCS NC contender would be legitimately interested in signing and starting him? C'mon now. VA clearly had someone from Oregon either directly or through an intermediary tell him they were interested... while he was still on scholarship with EWU. I know you're probably a Ducks fan, but please don't be so naive.

My point is only that Adams made first contact, expressing his interest in transferring, knowing that Oregon was light at QB this year (the Braxton Miller rumors had already been out there for several weeks). If you think that the only ethical thing for Oregon to do at that point was ignore Adams, then we will have to agree to disagree, I guess.
 
Phalanx said:
clawman said:
On 700 ESPN yesterday while discussing the VA transfer Beau Baldwin said coaches at Oregon should looking at their program and asking themselves whats wrong with their program, that they have to raid an FCS school for their players. He said " you don't see Urban Meyer looking for his next QB at Northern Iowa". :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good one Beau!

Hi all, first time poster. I've read through this whole thread, and I guess I have a different perspective than many of you. First of all, Adams is the one who initiated the recruiting, not Oregon. Adams has been thinking about transferring for awhile now, and he always wanted to be in the Pac 12, and particularly to play for Oregon. Oregon has a unique problem this year in that their Heisman-winning QB declared early for the draft. Vernon saw the opportunity and contacted Oregon, as well as UCLA who was in a similar situation, having just lost their junior QB as well. I think your coach is being disingenuous by leveling this criticism against Oregon publicly when he knows that Vernon was the one who made the decision. Should Oregon have said, "Nah, we need a QB for a year, but a guy with your skills should just stay down at the FCS level"??

I also think some of you are missing the positives for your program here. Instead of criticizing Oregon for 'raiding your FCS school', you should recognize that this is huge advertisement for your team, who most college football fans barely heard of before this. Vernon Adams is going to be a one-man advertising campaign for your school for the next year (if he wins the starting gig). Every televised game that Oregon plays in, announcers will introduce him by saying 'the transfer from Eastern Washington'. This is great pub, guys! You should be proud of your player and your program that develops a player to the point that he can replace a Heisman trophy winner, just like you would be proud if he made it to the NFL.

I get that it will suck if he is starting against you this fall. Just know that the last thing Oregon fans are thinking is 'haha, we're using your QB against you'. Most duck fans are just wondering if he can cut the mustard against Michigan State in East Lansing this year. I don't think the ducks should even be playing FCS schools now that there is a playoff board to impress, but the coaches must have thought your team was a good challenge.

I know that after the initial grieving process takes place (we just lost our junior QB too, don't forget) most of you will be rooting for Adams to make good at Oregon. It makes you look good on so many fronts. He's your QB; we are just borrowing him for a year while our two young four-star QB's get another year of seasoning. I, for one, am way more impressed with your program as a result of this transfer, and I know others are as well.

Good luck this year, go Eagles and go Ducks!
FTD
 
Phalanx said:
Screamin_Eagle174 said:
Do you honestly believe that a QB at the FCS level is going to ask to be released from his scholarship and thus burn that bridge on the mere hope that a BCS NC contender would be legitimately interested in signing and starting him? C'mon now. VA clearly had someone from Oregon either directly or through an intermediary tell him they were interested... while he was still on scholarship with EWU. I know you're probably a Ducks fan, but please don't be so naive.

My point is only that Adams made first contact, expressing his interest in transferring, knowing that Oregon was light at QB this year (the Braxton Miller rumors had already been out there for several weeks). If you think that the only ethical thing for Oregon to do at that point was ignore Adams, then we will have to agree to disagree, I guess.
You're still missing the point. VA didn't reach out until he had requested and been granted release from EWU, which he wouldn't do unless he had it on pretty good authority that the interest was mutual. If you honestly think that UO didn't reach out to VA one way or another before he asked for his release, then there is no help for what you have.
 
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