Vernon Adams

[DefendtheRed]

The other part of it that's a huge kick in the junk is that we have to play our first game in Eugene lining up against our own f*cking starting QB.

If we feel like that as fans how do you think he teammates feel about it? Multiply that feeling by about a thousand.

 

[Hambone]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

 

[eaglesfootball]

I don't know enough about this new rule but I'm trying to rationalize how a school like Oregon can actively pursue a player who is still enrolled in school here. Can anyone shed any light on that? I understand the eligibility criteria, but how is it legit that they can just pluck a player away from us when he's still enrolled here? Seems fishy.

i think it is as simple as the Oregon coaching staff requesting permission to talk to him. After that, Baldwin would have had to grant him a release to transfer.

The whole thing seems shady to me, but like I said I'm not familiar enough with this new rule. Just seems strange that they can openly and actively recruit a player while he's still enrolled here. Seems like these things are usually a little more hush-hush.

The other part of it that's a huge kick in the junk is that we have to play our first game in Eugene lining up against our own f*cking starting QB.

most schools have a transfer clause that states that a player cannot transfer to a school who's on the schedule the following year. apparently eastern doesn't have that policy.

 

[DefendtheRed]

I don't know enough about this new rule but I'm trying to rationalize how a school like Oregon can actively pursue a player who is still enrolled in school here. Can anyone shed any light on that? I understand the eligibility criteria, but how is it legit that they can just pluck a player away from us when he's still enrolled here? Seems fishy.

i think it is as simple as the Oregon coaching staff requesting permission to talk to him. After that, Baldwin would have had to grant him a release to transfer.

The whole thing seems shady to me, but like I said I'm not familiar enough with this new rule. Just seems strange that they can openly and actively recruit a player while he's still enrolled here. Seems like these things are usually a little more hush-hush.

The other part of it that's a huge kick in the junk is that we have to play our first game in Eugene lining up against our own f*cking starting QB.

most schools have a transfer clause that states that a player cannot transfer to a school who's on the schedule the following year. apparently eastern doesn't have that policy.

You think Baldwin's going to fall on his sword and burn his Pac 12 bridges? Not a chance.

 

[joemon]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

I think this is tacky on both the Oregon coaching staff and VA himself. If EWU wasn't playing Oregon, maybe I could see it. But the fact is, EWU put VA on the map, I doubt he would have had these types of stats at any other school. Playing at Oregon is not going to improve his draft status that much if anything, it may just backfire. We have some good QB's in the running, I'm guessing Reilly Hennesse may come out on top but Jordan West will be right there.

 

[DefendtheRed]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

 

[eaglesfootball]

I don't know enough about this new rule but I'm trying to rationalize how a school like Oregon can actively pursue a player who is still enrolled in school here. Can anyone shed any light on that? I understand the eligibility criteria, but how is it legit that they can just pluck a player away from us when he's still enrolled here? Seems fishy.

i think it is as simple as the Oregon coaching staff requesting permission to talk to him. After that, Baldwin would have had to grant him a release to transfer.

The whole thing seems shady to me, but like I said I'm not familiar enough with this new rule. Just seems strange that they can openly and actively recruit a player while he's still enrolled here. Seems like these things are usually a little more hush-hush.

The other part of it that's a huge kick in the junk is that we have to play our first game in Eugene lining up against our own f*cking starting QB.

most schools have a transfer clause that states that a player cannot transfer to a school who's on the schedule the following year. apparently eastern doesn't have that policy.

You think Baldwin's going to fall on his sword and burn his Pac 12 bridges? Not a chance.

one way to look at it. another might be Baldwins not a vindictive kind of guy and isnt going to begrudge a kid an opportunity. if its what he wants why try to stop it? and for the record I think this sucks just trying to see it for what it is.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

I think this is tacky on both the Oregon coaching staff

When has that ever stopped them before? Oregon is the most classless program in the Pac-12. I took great pleasure in watching Ohio State grind them to a pulp.

 

[dudeitsaid]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

I agree with Hambone here. I am sick to my stomach about VA leaving. But if he were not a starting QB at EWU, would we still feel this way? If a Psych major had an opportunity to transfer to another school that would potentially dramatically increase their earning potential in their future career, would we give them a hard time? These a college kids trying to establish the best future for themselves they can. With the kind of exposure the Ducks get, if VA plays well there, it will have a lot more impact with NFL scouts than performing well at the FCS level. Sucks that is so.

Also, this seems to be this business. It's not that much different than a coach taking a job at a higher level, a player declaring early (leaving the school that got them there hanging) to get paid and try to avoid injury playing another year in college, etc. Has anyone here ever left one job for a better one? How would you feel if VA declared for the draft? The same way? VA has done a ton for our school, played incredible football, and conducted himself with class for four years. I hope it's in God's plan he stays here (I'm sure he'll pray about this decision), but if it's not, I wouldn't trade the years he's been here for anything. And if we had a bunch of VA and TJ and BK type players all the time, but only had them through their junior year, it would wrench my stomach like it is now, but I'd take it rather than mediocrity.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

I agree with Hambone here. I am sick to my stomach about VA leaving. But if he were not a starting QB at EWU, would we still feel this way? If a Psych major had an opportunity to transfer to another school that would potentially dramatically increase their earning potential in their future career, would we give them a hard time? These a college kids trying to establish the best future for themselves they can. With the kind of exposure the Ducks get, if VA plays well there, it will have a lot more impact with NFL scouts than performing well at the FCS level. Sucks that is so.

Also, this seems to be this business. It's not that much different than a coach taking a job at a higher level, a player declaring early (leaving the school that got them there hanging) to get paid and try to avoid injury playing another year in college, etc. Has anyone here ever left one job for a better one? How would you feel if VA declared for the draft? The same way? VA has done a ton for our school, played incredible football, and conducted himself with class for four years. I hope it's in God's plan he stays here (I'm sure he'll pray about this decision), but if it's not, I wouldn't trade the years he's been here for anything. And if we had a bunch of VA and TJ and BK type players all the time, but only had them through their junior year, it would wrench my stomach like it is now, but I'd take it rather than mediocrity.

It is the business. The rich get richer.

 

[kalm]

If VA was a certainty to start and succeed at Oregon this would be a no brainer.

I can understand a young kid like VA under-appreciating the opportunities he's had at Eastern and making the leap. He might lack the maturity and awareness to realize he'd not be where he is without the support and mentoring of not just Baldwin and HIll, but the entire EWU Football culture.

I seriously question the ethics of Oregon to go after him because he is NOT a proven commodity at that level. This type of scenario should not be allowed.

Improving his draft stock at Oregon MIGHT indeed happen. If he leaves, I will root for him and sincerely hopes he succeeds…after Samson Ebukan knocks his ass cold out of the first game.

:nod:

 

[Hambone]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

 

[DefendtheRed]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

Nobody said anything about the University owning him. You are completely missing the point which is the fact that we play Oregon the first game of the 2015 season and our QB #1 is transferring there. You don't see any problems with the ethics of that? Kalm is 100% spot on here, this type of scenario should never be allowed by the NCAA. Maybe if we had played the Oakland Raiders the first game of the 2011 season your argument about Jones would make sense. The two scenarios aren't even remotely similar.

 

[joemon]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

Best of luck to VA but TJ and Kauffman didn't leave to play for another team that was playing against EWU. I think its somewhat of a slap in the face to the current coaching staff.

 

[EWURanger]

If VA was a certainty to start and succeed at Oregon this would be a no brainer.

I can understand a young kid like VA under-appreciating the opportunities he's had at Eastern and making the leap. He might lack the maturity and awareness to realize he'd not be where he is without the support and mentoring of not just Baldwin and HIll, but the entire EWU Football culture.

I seriously question the ethics of Oregon to go after him because he is NOT a proven commodity at that level. This type of scenario should not be allowed.

Improving his draft stock at Oregon MIGHT indeed happen. If he leaves, I will root for him and sincerely hopes he succeeds…after Samson Ebukam knocks his ass cold out of the first game.

:nod:

Can't say I disagree. Like I said before, I have some serious questions about the ethics of Oregon actively recruiting a player who is still part of our football program. This isn't professional sports. Maybe we should actively and openly recruit a couple of their QB's and it would be a fair trade.

And to the trolls from some of the "other" Big Sky schools - laugh all you want, but if you think this scenario is good for FCS football you may want to reconsider that. I can understand being pissed off about losing all the time though.

 

[DefendtheRed]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

Best of luck to VA but TJ and Kauffman didn't leave to play for another team that was playing against EWU. I think its somewhat of a slap in the face to the current coaching staff.

Bingo.

 

[EWURanger]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

Best of luck to VA but TJ and Kauffman didn't leave to play for another team that was playing against EWU. I think its somewhat of a slap in the face to the current coaching staff.

In my mind this is the bigger issue. I know it's coincidental...but it seems highly unethical.

 

[Hambone]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

Nobody said anything about the University owning him. You are completely missing the point which is the fact that we play Oregon the first game of the 2015 season and our QB #1 is transferring there. You don't see any problems with the ethics of that? Kalm is 100% spot on here, this type of scenario should never be allowed by the NCAA. Maybe if we had played the Oakland Raiders the first game of the 2011 season your argument about Jones would make sense. The two scenarios aren't even remotely similar.

And my point was that in all those situations the player was leaving the program for a situation in which they personally felt they had a better opportunity.

 

[9MFEaglefan]

The only thing that would be a bigger bummer is if he transferred and didn't get the starting job. I am not happy about this at all but will say thank you VA for your contributions to the program and best of luck.

 

[MLEagle]

I understand how Vernon could be enticed by a sales pitch from Oregon, the part that bothers me is that Oregon is making that pitch to Vernon who is under scholarship at another university. Typically when transfers move from FBS to FCS they don't start shopping around until they are granted their release. EWU cannot go to Oregon and talk to their non-starters are try to recruit them to be starters here.