Vernon Adams

[kalm]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

Nobody said anything about the University owning him. You are completely missing the point which is the fact that we play Oregon the first game of the 2015 season and our QB #1 is transferring there. You don't see any problems with the ethics of that? Kalm is 100% spot on here, this type of scenario should never be allowed by the NCAA. Maybe if we had played the Oakland Raiders the first game of the 2011 season your argument about Jones would make sense. The two scenarios aren't even remotely similar.

And my point was that in all those situations the player was leaving the program for a situation in which they personally felt they had a better opportunity.

Big difference between a chance at mid-low round signing bonuses and a chance to compete for a position that might possibly lead to mid-low round signing bonuses.

Also, don't forget that Baldwin took a chance on VA against Weber State in 2012.

Again, not disputing his desire to improve his stock, just the wisdom of the path he might potentially choose.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

God bless and Go Ducks doesn't exactly have the same ring to it.

 

[allweatherfan2]

With letters of intent coming in soon how much will this affect recruiting?

 

[DefendtheRed]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

Nobody said anything about the University owning him. You are completely missing the point which is the fact that we play Oregon the first game of the 2015 season and our QB #1 is transferring there. You don't see any problems with the ethics of that? Kalm is 100% spot on here, this type of scenario should never be allowed by the NCAA. Maybe if we had played the Oakland Raiders the first game of the 2011 season your argument about Jones would make sense. The two scenarios aren't even remotely similar.

And my point was that in all those situations the player was leaving the program for a situation in which they personally felt they had a better opportunity.

Big difference between a chance at mid-low round signing bonuses and a chance to compete for a position that might possibly lead to mid-low round signing bonuses.

Also, don't forget that Baldwin took a chance on VA against Weber State in 2012.

Again, not disputing his desire to improve his stock, just the wisdom of the path he might potentially choose.

If he can't make it to the NFL from EWU with his previous accolades and another successful season under his belt, then he's not legit. Oregon doesn't care one bit about his professional aspirations. They just want a one year security blanket if none of their current QB's are up to the task. All I know is that if things don't work out at Oregon and he ends up having to sit, which is completely possible, he better own his decision. He's leaving a great situation at EWU to go roll the dice.

 

[DefendtheRed]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

Nobody said anything about the University owning him. You are completely missing the point which is the fact that we play Oregon the first game of the 2015 season and our QB #1 is transferring there. You don't see any problems with the ethics of that? Kalm is 100% spot on here, this type of scenario should never be allowed by the NCAA. Maybe if we had played the Oakland Raiders the first game of the 2011 season your argument about Jones would make sense. The two scenarios aren't even remotely similar.

And my point was that in all those situations the player was leaving the program for a situation in which they personally felt they had a better opportunity.

You don't seem to get that there is a program that gave him a shot and will now have to go on without him. TEAM.

 

[EWURanger]

With letters of intent coming in soon how much will this affect recruiting?

Doubt it will effect it much, if at all. A lot of the incoming freshman will redshirt and will not have had a chance to play with him anyway.

 

[Hodor]

One player doesn't make a program. We had great players and teams before Big Play VA and it will remain that way long after he is gone. I have faith in the coaches to go out and find the next great QB regardless of the situation with Adams. I won't comment on the ethical side of this debate but will wish Vernon the best just the same.

 

[EWU Grad 82]

Kind of a shitty way to repay the coaching staff that recruited you out of High School and developed you as a player if you ask me. Still, good luck to him but to use a Vernon Adams quote "If they don't want me, I don't want them". Next man up!

That's a little harsh. If you were a college athlete and had the same opportunity how do you think you'd feel if you were in the same situation?

Like I said, I'd like to think I'd have some loyalty to the head coach that recruited me out of high school and developed me as a player.

You sound like a jaded lover. The University, football program, and fans don't own Vernon. If he wants to go to Oregon then so be it and we as fans should thank him for what he's done at Eastern and wish him the best of luck. This isn't much different than when Taiwan or Kaufman left early to give the NFL a shot. Were you saying the same kind of things about those players back then? Probably.

Nobody said anything about the University owning him. You are completely missing the point which is the fact that we play Oregon the first game of the 2015 season and our QB #1 is transferring there. You don't see any problems with the ethics of that? Kalm is 100% spot on here, this type of scenario should never be allowed by the NCAA. Maybe if we had played the Oakland Raiders the first game of the 2011 season your argument about Jones would make sense. The two scenarios aren't even remotely similar.

And my point was that in all those situations the player was leaving the program for a situation in which they personally felt they had a better opportunity.

Big difference between a chance at mid-low round signing bonuses and a chance to compete for a position that might possibly lead to mid-low round signing bonuses.

Also, don't forget that Baldwin took a chance on VA against Weber State in 2012.

Again, not disputing his desire to improve his stock, just the wisdom of the path he might potentially choose.

If he can't make it to the NFL from EWU with his previous accolades and another successful season under his belt, then he's not legit. Oregon doesn't care one bit about his professional aspirations. They just want a one year security blanket if none of their current QB's are up to the task. All I know is that if things don't work out at Oregon and he ends up having to sit, which is completely possible, he better own his decision. He's leaving a great situation at EWU to go roll the dice.

I hope VA has the wisdom to recognize that UO didn't care about him when his HS coach begged them to take a look at him when he was in HS and they don't care now. Coach Baldwin gave him an opportunity to succeed, and he did. If the virtue of loyalty means anything to the young Mr. Adams then he will consider what he was given by EWU when no one else seemed to care. If loyalty is not that important to him then I wish him well as a Duck. Either way the Eagle program will go on with success.

 

[LDopaPDX]

I understand how Vernon could be enticed by a sales pitch from Oregon, the part that bothers me is that Oregon is making that pitch to Vernon who is under scholarship at another university. Typically when transfers move from FBS to FCS they don't start shopping around until they are granted their release. EWU cannot go to Oregon and talk to their non-starters are try to recruit them to be starters here.

This is what I don't understand either. Why would our coaches not have phone calls in to all of Oregon's second and third string defenders saying "we'll start you in the first game!!!" I have never heard of a team actively recruiting a transfer who is on a roster in good standing of another team. I wasn't even aware it was permitted. When Wisconsin reached out to Russell Wilson, he was no longer on the roster at NC State.

The scary thing in all of this is that, if this is the "new normal," Eastern cannot afford to redshirt kids, because you'd always run the risk of losing a senior to a transfer. Hell, this would be true of any school except the absolute top-tier of NCAA athletics. If a kid was projecting as an early draft pick out of Washington State and it looked like the Cougs were a .500 team, what would stop the kid from transferring to Ohio State for his senior year? The slippery slope here is extremely dangerous.

I still think VA will stay; I have confidence in his character. But the whole issue of recruiting a kid while still on "active duty", so-to-speak, is irregular and disturbing.

 

[SloStang]

I understand how Vernon could be enticed by a sales pitch from Oregon, the part that bothers me is that Oregon is making that pitch to Vernon who is under scholarship at another university. Typically when transfers move from FBS to FCS they don't start shopping around until they are granted their release. EWU cannot go to Oregon and talk to their non-starters are try to recruit them to be starters here.

This is what I don't understand either. Why would our coaches not have phone calls in to all of Oregon's second and third string defenders saying "we'll start you in the first game!!!" I have never heard of a team actively recruiting a transfer who is on a roster in good standing of another team. I wasn't even aware it was permitted. When Wisconsin reached out to Russell Wilson, he was no longer on the roster at NC State.

The scary thing in all of this is that, if this is the "new normal," Eastern cannot afford to redshirt kids, because you'd always run the risk of losing a senior to a transfer. Hell, this would be true of any school except the absolute top-tier of NCAA athletics. If a kid was projecting as an early draft pick out of Washington State and it looked like the Cougs were a .500 team, what would stop the kid from transferring to Ohio State for his senior year? The slippery slope here is extremely dangerous.

I still think VA will stay; I have confidence in his character. But the whole issue of recruiting a kid while still on "active duty", so-to-speak, is irregular and disturbing.

We do not know if Vernon reached out to Oregon and they were receptive. Not saying it happened that way, just that we do not know how it happened.

 

[HookedonGriz]

No. The whole story came about from a random posting on a Ducks fan site. It got picked up as a rumor in the Oregonian. Montana fans have decided to run with it so they don't get beat a fifth time by the same QB.

How's that "I know everything" attitude working out for ya. The majority of Montana fans are informed and educated on their team, the Big Sky, and FCS football. Folks weren't trying to start a rumor here.... I think EWU fans were scared to death to see truth in it.

 

[kalm]

No. The whole story came about from a random posting on a Ducks fan site. It got picked up as a rumor in the Oregonian. Montana fans have decided to run with it so they don't get beat a fifth time by the same QB.

How's that "I know everything" attitude working out for ya. The majority of Montana fans are informed and educated on their team, the Big Sky, and FCS football. Folks weren't trying to start a rumor here.... I think EWU fans were scared to death to see truth in it.

Then the majority of Montana fans evidently haven't posted on here. :dunce:

 

[EWURanger]

No. The whole story came about from a random posting on a Ducks fan site. It got picked up as a rumor in the Oregonian. Montana fans have decided to run with it so they don't get beat a fifth time by the same QB.

How's that "I know everything" attitude working out for ya. The majority of Montana fans are informed and educated on their team, the Big Sky, and FCS football. Folks weren't trying to start a rumor here.... I think EWU fans were scared to death to see truth in it.

Yes, because it's completely uncharacteristic for Montana fans to run with a rumor they see on the internet. The truth is that you were no more informed about any of this than anyone else.

My guess is that UO had interest in Adams and leaked it onto the internet via a trusted "source", since they can't actively recruit a player on scholarship at another school. That's how these things work.

I am also guessing that once VA was aware that Oregon wanted to recruit him, he asked for, and was granted, his release - and then contacted the UO coaches. That's the only scenario that doesn't involve NCAA recruiting violations on the part of Oregon.

I would love to see him back for another year but it doesn't look like that will be the case and we'll move on and still beat the Griz. We have other talented QB's in the wings waiting for their shot.

 

[HookedonGriz]

No. The whole story came about from a random posting on a Ducks fan site. It got picked up as a rumor in the Oregonian. Montana fans have decided to run with it so they don't get beat a fifth time by the same QB.

How's that "I know everything" attitude working out for ya. The majority of Montana fans are informed and educated on their team, the Big Sky, and FCS football. Folks weren't trying to start a rumor here.... I think EWU fans were scared to death to see truth in it.

The majority of Montana fans evidently haven't posted on here. :dunce:

Oh you get the knuckleheads on here for sure, just as we get your "best in class" on our board. This "rumor" was brought up on egriz a while ago and there were plenty of EWU fans who chimed in there saying that Griz fans are idiots to think that it was anything more than rumor and speculation...that there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell that VA would leave EWU. I think he's there already. Has to be a lot behind the scenes for him to already have a scholarship waiting and now an official visit. You guys will be fine. Lots of talent coming back and still some good QBs waiting for their shot. Look at Prukop with the Cats....no one would have guessed he'd be as good or better than McGhee. Next man up.

 

[MLEagle]

I wonder if the initial scholarship offer that a player gets is for their bachelors degree and when they graduate it is up to the university to reoffer another scholarship if the player has remaining elligability? If so I suppose that there could be a window where other schools could recruit kids from other teams to transfer.

Again, I'm just guessing.

 

[EWURanger]

I wonder if the initial scholarship offer that a player gets is for their bachelors degree and when they graduate it is up to the university to reoffer another scholarship if the player has remaining elligability? If so I suppose that there could be a window where other schools could recruit kids from other teams to transfer.

Again, I'm just guessing.

Totally possible. I'll be interested in seeing the details of this manuever once all the dust settles.

We'll be fine.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

If VA was a certainty to start and succeed at Oregon this would be a no brainer.

I can understand a young kid like VA under-appreciating the opportunities he's had at Eastern and making the leap. He might lack the maturity and awareness to realize he'd not be where he is without the support and mentoring of not just Baldwin and HIll, but the entire EWU Football culture.

I seriously question the ethics of Oregon to go after him because he is NOT a proven commodity at that level. This type of scenario should not be allowed.

Improving his draft stock at Oregon MIGHT indeed happen. If he leaves, I will root for him and sincerely hopes he succeeds…after Samson Ebukan knocks his ass cold out of the first game.

:nod:

THIS.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

If VA was a certainty to start and succeed at Oregon this would be a no brainer.

I can understand a young kid like VA under-appreciating the opportunities he's had at Eastern and making the leap. He might lack the maturity and awareness to realize he'd not be where he is without the support and mentoring of not just Baldwin and HIll, but the entire EWU Football culture.

I seriously question the ethics of Oregon to go after him because he is NOT a proven commodity at that level. This type of scenario should not be allowed.

Improving his draft stock at Oregon MIGHT indeed happen. If he leaves, I will root for him and sincerely hopes he succeeds…after Samson Ebukam knocks his ass cold out of the first game.

:nod:

Can't say I disagree. Like I said before, I have some serious questions about the ethics of Oregon actively recruiting a player who is still part of our football program. This isn't professional sports. Maybe we should actively and openly recruit a couple of their QB's and it would be a fair trade.

And to the trolls from some of the "other" Big Sky schools - laugh all you want, but if you think this scenario is good for FCS football you may want to reconsider that. I can understand being pissed off about losing all the time though.

And also this.

 

[tomq04]

I don't understand my feelings...
Sad, but it could be awesome for him...hope he doesn't land on the bench
. I think he will make a great backup for Russell in Seattle for few years

 

[ewueagle2010]

Vernon is a stud. However, I think it would be a mistake to transfer. VA doesn't graduate until at least June, leaving him with just two months to learn a whole new offense in Eugene. I don't care who you are, and what offense you're familiar with, trying to become a starter after only two months, isn't likely.

If you're VA, ask yourself, do I risk everything to transfer to a school to maybe be the starter for a team that may or may not boost my draft stock, or so I stay at the school that recruited me, built me, and has the system I know and likely win a Walter Payton Award and compete for a National Title? I know VA is capable, but in this circumstance, I think it's a mistake to transfer.

Here's to hoping he is an Eagle one more year.... :thumb: