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Wow, I've taken a break from this board from a while. And I have to say, some people need to grow up.

I want you to recall that playing in a Pac-12 school was Vernon Adam's dream before he came to Eastern Washington. It's all his interviews highlight how disappointed he was to be overlooked, but glad he got an opportunity at EWU. Vernon Adams is getting the opportunity to chase something very special, and you should not fault him for that.

Oregon has amazing facilities, tons of fans, incredible supports, and a more direct line to professional football. EWU just doesn't measure up. Every year, you look at the draft profiles of FCS football players. Almost every one of them contains the line "Regularly matched up against lesser competition", and their draft grade is decreased. Vernon Adams is short (in comparison to most NFL quarterbacks) he has a small frame (in comparison to all NFL quarterbacks) and he cramps during long games. He will already be seen as a liability on these factors alone, and the only way he will ever get drafted to the NFL is if he proves himself at a higher level of competition. Period. Vernon Adams will not be drafted while at Eastern Washington. He MIGHT be able to make it as a free agent, but couldn't he go through all of that through Oregon as well?

Shit, if you really care about the kid, just support him. We were great before Vernon Adams, we were great with Vernon Adams, we will be great without Vernon Adams.
 
Rjones61 said:
Wow, I've taken a break from this board from a while. And I have to say, some people need to grow up.

I want you to recall that playing in a Pac-12 school was Vernon Adam's dream before he came to Eastern Washington. It's all his interviews highlight how disappointed he was to be overlooked, but glad he got an opportunity at EWU. Vernon Adams is getting the opportunity to chase something very special, and you should not fault him for that.

Oregon has amazing facilities, tons of fans, incredible supports, and a more direct line to professional football. EWU just doesn't measure up. Every year, you look at the draft profiles of FCS football players. Almost every one of them contains the line "Regularly matched up against lesser competition", and their draft grade is decreased. Vernon Adams is short (in comparison to most NFL quarterbacks) he has a small frame (in comparison to all NFL quarterbacks) and he cramps during long games. He will already be seen as a liability on these factors alone, and the only way he will ever get drafted to the NFL is if he proves himself at a higher level of competition. Period. Vernon Adams will not be drafted while at Eastern Washington. He MIGHT be able to make it as a free agent, but couldn't he go through all of that through Oregon as well?

Shit, if you really care about the kid, just support him. We were great before Vernon Adams, we were great with Vernon Adams, we will be great without Vernon Adams.
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I understand the jist of what you're saying and I don't disagree with a lot of it, but I'll offer a few things:

I think questioning the ethics of a school actively recruiting a player who is on scholarship somewhere else is legitimate. I think it sets a dangerous precedent that's not good for college football. This is the biggest thing I take issue with.

Not sure I agree with the assertion that players need to play against top competition every week to improve their draft stock. If you do some research, many NFL scouts don't agree with it either. Playing at the FCS level didn't stop Garoppolo (who had very similar stats to Adams in 2013 playing against similar levels of competition) from being drafted in the second round last year, and it hasn't stopped many players, to include some who played all their college ball at Eastern, from having respectable showings in the NFL draft. Saying Eastern's not good enough to make it to the NFL out of simply doesn't hold water, because the facts show otherwise. When it comes to being drafted, it's less about where you're playing and who you're playing against than who you are as an individual player.

What's more, VA has already shown that he can compete in games at the highest level of colleger football. There's as much or more downside to him transferring, having to learn a new system in 2 months, and possibly not being named the starter in Eugene as there is upside to it. By all means, if his dream is to play in the Pac-12, and nothing more, then he should do it as there's no risk by tranferring in that scenario because he will have fulfilled his dream, no matter if he sits or not. If he seriously wants to play on Sundays, staying the course and having another great Senior year playing where he's gaunranteed to be the starter is the far more prudent way to go.

Lastly, people are acting like VA is going to go into Eugene and put up huge stats in the Ducks offense because of what he did in games against UW and OSU, but that's completely dismissing the fact that he did all of that in Eastern's offensive system. VA is obviously an incredible player, but if you recall we've had several QB's put up those kind of numbers in individual games in the same offensive system (see BLM against UW in 2011). Is it more about the individual player or the system? You also take a look at Oregon's offense - VA can obviously run the read-option, but he's not a traditional running QB. He uses his mobility to extend plays out of passing formations. Very little of what he does on the ground comes from designed running plays for the QB.

At the end of the day I wish him the best with whatever he decides to do, but I also think it's ok as fans to be dissappointed if he decides to take his talents to Eugene. I do totally agree with what you said about Eastern being fine either way. For me personally, that's not what this is really about. We could have the next Meyer, Nichols, Mitchell, or VA on the roster already and not even know it. I have complete faith in the coaches.
 
Well, next years schedule looks to be even more daunting than it did a week ago.

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The 49er's and Seahawks would always pick up players from each others team when guys were released over the last couple of years and then drop them the following week so they could get some type of an advantage from schemes and nuances. What if this was the same scenario where UofO is legitimately concerned about the loss against us and then once VA has served his purpose with getting them through this game (starting or not) then he is a after thought.
Also the rap-ore he would need to develop with the WR's in a very short time. We all saw how out of synch things got with the WR's this year when he was out....when there is a new guy out there it takes time to adjust.
Finally being a "hired gun" yes has it's short term benefits, but if this goes sideways .......either way will support VA!
Also will this be a scenario that Kupp (red shirted his first year not sure where he is graduation wise) does as well? This could be the start of a bad trend....
 
EwuRanger:

Huge essay, but I don't have time to address everything at this moment.

My biggest point isn't that EWU doesn't produce NFL caliber, because we do. My point also is not that the FCS does not produce NFL caliber, because it certainly does. My point is that people are underestimating the number of liabilities he has as a player, just because of his height, frame, and that disorder (can't remember the name) that makes him cramp at the end of big games. He already has liabilities and people questioning his statistics being "generated" from Big Sky Defenses are going to happen when decisions come to the wire.

And no, playing well against two FBS with questionable defenses is not proving himself. If he can really be put to the test at the FBS level, he can open eyes wider. And Oregon wouldn't be contacting him if they didn't think he could be successful there.
 
So "if" VA leaves, what do you think that will do to recruiting? He has been a huge draw for lots of incoming players who have bigger offers but have chosen Eastern. VA didn't really get a sniff from bigger schools when he was coming in but has made himself something! Will players jump ship?

My other thought is does VA know something we don't? I always think the worst when it comes to these things, but is it possible Beau could be on his way out as well and fueling the VA decision to go explore other options? Do we know that Oregon has reached out to him? I didn't think it was legal for schools to reach out to players that were already under scholarship which would mean VA would have had to reach out to them first...... Just a thought....
 
Here's a list of why players/parents choose EWU to be a student athlete over other schools:

1)______________________________
2)______________________________
3)______________________________
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40) Cause Vernon Adams will be there
 
I'm not saying they were choosing it because VA would be there. I am saying many players have offers from other schools, VA was a guy that was there telling them how great EWU is and how the experience bettered him as a football player, helping him reach all of his football aspirations, and then in the next breath, he is reaching out to other schools because the EWU experience wasn't providing him with the best experience or possibilities of making it to the next level.

It will be pretty hard for someone to go down to Eugene and here the false hopes, see the bling, Nike signs and money, and come back to Cheney.
 
I see where you're coming from EE(and I concur) and so here's a list of why a student athlete may NOT choose EWU over another school;

1) Because Vernon Adams said EWU was a really good place to go yet decided to leave for the #2 FBS school in the nation after having a great four years at EWU(and getting his degree).
2) I can't think of any other reason NOT to go to EWU as a student athlete.
 
I'll be disappointed if VA leaves for Oregon, but I understand why he'd be doing it. My issue in all of this is Oregon. As others have stated, it seems really fishy how this all went down.
 
Vernon should do whats best for him and if that is going to Oregon then he should do it. I hope he stays and am excited about the prospect of winning the Natty with him. If he does transfer I will wish him well buy an Oregon hat and root for him to win the National title. Vernon is a special player and while it will be very hard to replace him, I trust Baldwin has a plan and we will be just fine. God Bless and Go Eags!
 
This issue is bigger than Vernon Adams; the issue is that Eastern is setting a precedent of becoming a feeder institution for bigger programs. We have more quality kids that are going to be juniors who have redshirted right now that could be approached next Winter. Where do you draw the line?

In my entire life, I've never heard of a kid on a roster being actively recruited to the point of taking visits to another achool while still a schollie athlete at another.

The end result, if you follow the chain of dominoes, is that Eastern and schools that aren't premier destination programs can no longer redshirt, because you give away a 4th season of eligibility to your top players. That further divides the top-tier and everyone else, because they can use redshirts without fear of losing their players and no one else can.
 
LDopaPDX said:
This issue is bigger than Vernon Adams; the issue is that Eastern is setting a precedent of becoming a feeder institution for bigger programs. We have more quality kids that are going to be juniors who have redshirted right now that could be approached next Winter. Where do you draw the line?

In my entire life, I've never heard of a kid on a roster being actively recruited to the point of taking visits to another achool while still a schollie athlete at another.

The end result, if you follow the chain of dominoes, is that Eastern and schools that aren't premier destination programs can no longer redshirt, because you give away a 4th season of eligibility to your top players. That further divides the top-tier and everyone else, because they can use redshirts without fear of losing their players and no one else can.
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agreed and Im surprised more people aren't see thing as the real issue.
 
eaglesfootball said:
LDopaPDX said:
This issue is bigger than Vernon Adams; the issue is that Eastern is setting a precedent of becoming a feeder institution for bigger programs. We have more quality kids that are going to be juniors who have redshirted right now that could be approached next Winter. Where do you draw the line?

In my entire life, I've never heard of a kid on a roster being actively recruited to the point of taking visits to another achool while still a schollie athlete at another.

The end result, if you follow the chain of dominoes, is that Eastern and schools that aren't premier destination programs can no longer redshirt, because you give away a 4th season of eligibility to your top players. That further divides the top-tier and everyone else, because they can use redshirts without fear of losing their players and no one else can.
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agreed and Im surprised more people aren't see thing as the real issue.
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Totally agree . . . .is Cooper next?
 
i think the trip this weekend is just a formality. If he was seriously considering staying at eastern he wouldnt have already been released from his scholarship and he wouldnt even be making the trip. I think fans should probably consider this a done deal and start looking forward to the next great qb. Wish it werent so but not sure what else to make of all this other than what seems to be the obvious.
 
eaglesfootball said:
i think the trip this weekend is just a formality. If he was seriously considering staying at eastern he wouldnt have already been released from his scholarship and he wouldnt even be making the trip. I think fans should probably consider this a done deal and start looking forward to the next great qb. Wish it werent so but not sure what else to make of all this other than what seems to be the obvious.
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But here's the thing, Eastern announced they haven't released him. This would be much simpler if he asked for a release, got it, and then transferred. He'd have to sit out a year, but it would be a legitimate transfer. As of right now, he is a scholarship athlete at Eastern and doesn't meet the credentials for having the transfer period waived UNTIL he graduates. He doesn't graduate until after the Spring semester. That's why this is entirely new ground being explored here and why I contend this is a fundamental issue to college sports far beyond one player.
 
LDopaPDX said:
eaglesfootball said:
i think the trip this weekend is just a formality. If he was seriously considering staying at eastern he wouldnt have already been released from his scholarship and he wouldnt even be making the trip. I think fans should probably consider this a done deal and start looking forward to the next great qb. Wish it werent so but not sure what else to make of all this other than what seems to be the obvious.
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But here's the thing, Eastern announced they haven't released him. This would be much simpler if he asked for a release, got it, and then transferred. He'd have to sit out a year, but it would be a legitimate transfer. As of right now, he is a scholarship athlete at Eastern and doesn't meet the credentials for having the transfer period waived UNTIL he graduates. He doesn't graduate until after the Spring semester. That's why this is entirely new ground being explored here and why I contend this is a fundamental issue to college sports far beyond one player.
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That's a great point. I'm guessing there's a lot more to this story than what we know. I'd be interested in seeing what Eastern's compliance office understands about this situation. I'm sure it will all come out in the wash after it's all said and done.
 
LDopaPDX said:
This issue is bigger than Vernon Adams; the issue is that Eastern is setting a precedent of becoming a feeder institution for bigger programs. We have more quality kids that are going to be juniors who have redshirted right now that could be approached next Winter. Where do you draw the line?

In my entire life, I've never heard of a kid on a roster being actively recruited to the point of taking visits to another achool while still a schollie athlete at another.

The end result, if you follow the chain of dominoes, is that Eastern and schools that aren't premier destination programs can no longer redshirt, because you give away a 4th season of eligibility to your top players. That further divides the top-tier and everyone else, because they can use redshirts without fear of losing their players and no one else can.
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How do we know that VA was actively recruited by UO? How do we know this isn't something that VA hasn't sought out? Is that not a possibility? If he was granted a release by EWU, wouldn't that be something he initiated?

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/jan/29/eastern-grants-vernon-adams-release-explore-opport/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I just don't think we have enough of the back-story to determine how all of this came about. Heck, it was a rumor a month ago that seemed to have no basis. Maybe it didn't then, but got the thought process started on VA's part.

If it does turn out that somehow they initiated contact with Adams, I agree that that is not only unethical, but would think it has to be a violation of some NCAA rule. Otherwise, I would think it would be fairly common practice for FBS teams to steal standouts in the positions in which they have needs.

If VA decides this is the right path, I will root for him. But thinking of playing against him in our first game makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. Beyond that, I would wish him nothing but success. But that match-up will just feel wrong.
 
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