Vernon Adams

[dudeitsaid]

The 49er's and Seahawks would always pick up players from each others team when guys were released over the last couple of years and then drop them the following week so they could get some type of an advantage from schemes and nuances. What if this was the same scenario where UofO is legitimately concerned about the loss against us and then once VA has served his purpose with getting them through this game (starting or not) then he is a after thought.

That would be nuts. Would they be so concerned about damaging their brand by either having a close game against, or losing to EWU, that they would do something like this? Are they already strategizing about how to make it back to the playoffs, and want to ensure they don't detract from their early rankings by a lackluster showing against an FCS team that has shown the ability to play with the Pac-12? Do they know they don't have the offensive firepower without Mariota to blow us out with Adams at the helm? I personally doubt they are that concerned about their first game of next year as to go to this much trouble. I think even now, most FBS teams take even solid FCS teams, including EWU lightly.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Did you guys read the email Dave Cook sent out today? Check your inboxes... I'm sure it was a blast email to all donors. I deleted it after reading, but he indicated - and this was the language to the best of my recollection- that Eastern was allowing the player (they don't identify him in the email) to explore options at another university while still attending Eastern. In other words, Eastern is complicit here by not asking for a decision to be made.

Interesting, Vernon couldn't leave Eastern--- even if he wants to--- until the Summer. He must finish classes in order to waive the transfer period. He couldn't play Spring ball at Oregon, and would likely at least have to pay one semester at Eastern as - I'm sure- Eastern would have to rescind his schollie to open up an opportunity for another player. None of that is particularly huge in the whole scheme of things...

I like Vernon Adams a lot; he seems like a good guy. It's not an issue of me wanting to trap him at Eastern if he doesn't like playing for Baldwin and wants off the team. I just see this as a fundamental fairness issue that will have major negative ramifications for anyone not among the top-half of BCS institutions who suddenly have all of the redshirt seniors available on the open market.

 

[EWU Beagles]

He isn't transferring yet. Everyone get your panties out of a bunch. I'm sure we'll hear the word or something about the word on Monday after he gets back from his vacation and wooing in Eugene. What if this whole thing was initiated by himself to self promote at EWU? Wouldn't it be awesome if we go and win the National Championship this year with Vernon and they bring up that he turned down a full ride+incentives to UO to keep playing at EWU?

 

[EWURanger]

He isn't transferring yet. Everyone get your panties out of a bunch. I'm sure we'll hear the word or something about the word on Monday after he gets back from his vacation and wooing in Eugene. What if this whole thing was initiated by himself to self promote at EWU? Wouldn't it be awesome if we go and win the National Championship this year with Vernon and they bring up that he turned down a full ride+incentives to UO to keep playing at EWU?

Kinda far fetched if you ask me.

My opinion - he's transferring. And we'll be just fine.

 

[dudeitsaid]

He isn't transferring yet. Everyone get your panties out of a bunch. I'm sure we'll hear the word or something about the word on Monday after he gets back from his vacation and wooing in Eugene. What if this whole thing was initiated by himself to self promote at EWU? Wouldn't it be awesome if we go and win the National Championship this year with Vernon and they bring up that he turned down a full ride+incentives to UO to keep playing at EWU?

Kinda far fetched if you ask me.

My opinion - he's transferring. And we'll be just fine.

I agree, we will be OK. We will still be very good. We will still contend for the Big Sky title. Part of what sucks is I"m a fan of VA. I love watching him play. If he is a Duck, I will probably watch every game. But I would much rather watch every VA snap as an Eagle! That, and I just don't think we are as good of a team without him. He is a difference maker.

I think locking up Beau Baldwin is even more critical to our success, though. So I am extremely happy to see that extension taking place.

Maybe...Maybe...Maybe VA is going to the Ducks to throw the game next year, and raise EWU's profile by handing the Eagles an even bigger upset than App State over Michigan! :rofl:

I'm sure none of these conspiracy theories are very accurate. I think it's a 20 something kid looking at the bright lights and knowing he could have the opportunity to play in them. As much as many fans want to point the finger at him and challenge his loyalty, if it were a psych major that received another scholarship offer to go to grad school somewhere else, we wouldn't think twice.

 

[EWURanger]

He isn't transferring yet. Everyone get your panties out of a bunch. I'm sure we'll hear the word or something about the word on Monday after he gets back from his vacation and wooing in Eugene. What if this whole thing was initiated by himself to self promote at EWU? Wouldn't it be awesome if we go and win the National Championship this year with Vernon and they bring up that he turned down a full ride+incentives to UO to keep playing at EWU?

Kinda far fetched if you ask me.

My opinion - he's transferring. And we'll be just fine.

I agree, we will be OK. We will still be very good. We will still contend for the Big Sky title. Part of what sucks is I"m a fan of VA. I love watching him play. If he is a Duck, I will probably watch every game. But I would much rather watch every VA snap as an Eagle! That, and I just don't think we are as good of a team without him. He is a difference maker.

I think locking up Beau Baldwin is even more critical to our success, though. So I am extremely happy to see that extension taking place.

Maybe...Maybe...Maybe VA is going to the Ducks to throw the game next year, and raise EWU's profile by handing the Eagles an even bigger upset than App State over Michigan! :rofl:

I'm sure none of these conspiracy theories are very accurate. I think it's a 20 something kid looking at the bright lights and knowing he could have the opportunity to play in them. As much as many fans want to point the finger at him and challenge his loyalty, if it were a psych major that received another scholarship offer to go to grad school somewhere else, we wouldn't think twice.

The difference being I can't think of too many psych majors that are the unoffical faces of their respective schools.

 

[EWU98]

What you mean the Website dedicated to him . . . I would take that bad boy down at this point. Staying or not. Always thought it was a bad idea.

 

[loloman]

I only hope that Vernon's eyes are opened to the arrogance of the Oregon program and it isn't his family that he has at EWU. From the standpoint of his future exposure and playing time, I don't see how Oregon can come out and guarantee him the starting spot next year. Wouldn't it be something if Braxton Miller also transferred and ended up starting over Vernon, and Vernon got to sit on the bench when EWU goes into Oregon Sept 5.

 

[MLEagle]

I also believe that there is a chance that Vernon won't transfer. The thing that Vernon made clear to Jim Allen was that he wasn't going to Oregon to be a back up player and that he needed to start. The problem with that is Vernon must earn his degree to transfer and that won't be done until June. He will be at a huge disadvantage to the 4 or 5 other qb's on the roster that are already familiar with the team and offense. It will be extremely difficult for Vernon to miss spring ball and expect to come in next fall and pick up the whole offense. We have all seen a lot of examples of FBS to FCS transfers that take quite a while to pick up systems and play well.

I believe Vernon would be taking a huge risk in not seeing much time on the field next year with the Ducks. I in no way doubt his abilities, I just wonder if he has enough time coming into fall camp brand new to beat out all the other qb's on that roster.

 

[EWURanger]

I also believe that there is a chance that Vernon won't transfer. The thing that Vernon made clear to Jim Allen was that he wasn't going to Oregon to be a back up player and that he needed to start. The problem with that is Vernon must earn his degree to transfer and that won't be done until June. He will be at a huge disadvantage to the 4 or 5 other qb's on the roster that are already familiar with the team and offense. It will be extremely difficult for Vernon to miss spring ball and expect to come in next fall and pick up the whole offense. We have all seen a lot of examples of FBS to FCS transfers that take quite a while to pick up systems and play well.

I believe Vernon would be taking a huge risk in not seeing much time on the field next year with the Ducks. I in no way doubt his abilities, I just wonder if he has enough time coming into fall camp brand new to beat out all the other qb's on that roster.

Agreed. Prime example - Kyle Padron.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

At lot of good points and rational discussion on this ridiculous drama. I just hate that there's so much ambiguity and seemingly deception about it. As other have echoed though, we'll be better than fine either way. I'm really excited about Hennessey, but West was solid this last season and that experience will be a huge stepping stone to being even better in 2015 and beyond.

 

[93bird]

If Vernon is offered the opportunity to start for the Ducks, he should go immediately. We will break in a new QB 1 year earlier. Everything will be fine.

 

[nwray1]

Can't say I follow Oregon football that closely, but I am amazed that the Ducks didn't have what they considered a capable backup. I certainly wish Vernon the best in all his endeavors, and though I don't know him, he seems like a thoughtful type that will make an informed decision. Stepping right into an offense without Spring practice and having success right out of the gate seems like a tall order to me, but we shall see. Remember Bo's early games? Brilliance combined with .... well, non-brilliance at times! I think EWU and Beau have handled this situation perfectly. GO EAGS!

 

[GROUND&POUND]

I still think VA stays at EWU. I think it's clearly a better situation for him all things considered.

Bigger isn't better. Better is better.


*note: sorta ironic that Oregon is allowed to disrupt the team chemistry of a team that they have on the schedule week 1. To me something seems wrong about this whole situation, in many ways.

I really hope we beat their ass like we did Oregon State in 2013. They have it coming, VA or no VA.

 

[GROUND&POUND]

He isn't transferring yet. Everyone get your panties out of a bunch. I'm sure we'll hear the word or something about the word on Monday after he gets back from his vacation and wooing in Eugene. What if this whole thing was initiated by himself to self promote at EWU? Wouldn't it be awesome if we go and win the National Championship this year with Vernon and they bring up that he turned down a full ride+incentives to UO to keep playing at EWU?

The story has been carried on almost every significant sports news in the nation.
A nice final on this possible situation you laid out would be our boys kicking Oregon's ass week 1.

 

[TyThor]

So to give a short preface, this is my first time posting on this board but I am a recent EWU grad and also an Oregon Ducks fan, do to the fact I grew up in Southern Oregon prior to moving to Spokane in middle school. As far as the recruitment of VA goes, the NCAA has pretty strict rules about contacting players from different schools, however as far as I can tell Oregon has pretty much followed those rules to a tee. According to multiple reports VA has already been granted his transfer release by EWU and without that Oregon wouldn't have been able to contact him or have him on an official visit this weekend. I also highly doubt Oregon violated any NCAA rules because they still have official visit restrictions from the Lache Seastrunk recruitment back when Chip Kelly was still the coach. Additionally Beau Baldwin really has no choice in this situation, if he tries to not let VA go other recruits will see that and it will hurt EWU recruiting badly in the future. Kids don't want to play for a coach who will deny them future beneficial oppurtunities just because he would rather keep them.

Originally Oregon seemed to be monitering the Kyler Murray and Braxton Miller situations but figured out they weren't coming so they decided to look at other options and that's when VA became a realistic possibility. Although Oregon doesn't usually guarentee playing time it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that if VA comes to UO next year he will start as long as he doesn't get injured and can pick up the playbook quickly enough. VA has way more talent then anyone currently on the Oregon roster who is ready to play. Jeff Lockie is a career backup, Morgan Mahalak is a redshirt freshman who still needs more time and Travis Waller(#4 DT QB in 2015) will eventually be a good player but needs a redshirt year. This is definitely a bittersweet moment for me because I love both schools, however it's hard not to see why VA woild want to go. He will have alot more TV exposure, will have a chance to play great competition weekly, and maybe most importantly will be on a team that has enough talent around him to make another serious postseason run toward a Pac 12 title or CFB playoff berth. I really wish UO and EWU weren't playing next year but thats just the nature of the beast. If EWU and Oregon were at the same level of competition I might take issue with VA transferring and then playing his former team, however Oregon is at the FBS and EWU is FCS. If EWU loses that game it in no way will hurt them for the remainder of their season and will have no effect on their Big Sky standing or FCS standing.

 

[EAGLEFUZZ]

We can now appreciate how good of a player VA is. He is a twenty something young man with a vision of being the best at his position. Do you really think the coaching staff at U of O would attempt to give the keys to a QB that they feel isn't going to be the man. Most of us are grown men and we get on here and complain about the rules and how its not fair etc etc etc... Lets put ourselves in VA shoes. Realistically we cant.

He needs to grow and be the best that he can be. We also need to realize we are now the big time and need to lead by example. I am not impressed at some of these comments and if I were 18 year old kid about to send a University my NLI I may change my mind.

Its our job as fans to support the Eagles and student athletes not judge them for one of the biggest decisions of their young life.

At the end of the day I will pray for VA and his family that what ever he decides its for the right reason.

 

[kalm]

So to give a short preface, this is my first time posting on this board but I am a recent EWU grad and also an Oregon Ducks fan, do to the fact I grew up in Southern Oregon prior to moving to Spokane in middle school. As far as the recruitment of VA goes, the NCAA has pretty strict rules about contacting players from different schools, however as far as I can tell Oregon has pretty much followed those rules to a tee. According to multiple reports VA has already been granted his transfer release by EWU and without that Oregon wouldn't have been able to contact him or have him on an official visit this weekend. I also highly doubt Oregon violated any NCAA rules because they still have official visit restrictions from the Lache Seastrunk recruitment back when Chip Kelly was still the coach. Additionally Beau Baldwin really has no choice in this situation, if he tries to not let VA go other recruits will see that and it will hurt EWU recruiting badly in the future. Kids don't want to play for a coach who will deny them future beneficial oppurtunities just because he would rather keep them.

Originally Oregon seemed to be monitering the Kyler Murray and Braxton Miller situations but figured out they weren't coming so they decided to look at other options and that's when VA became a realistic possibility. Although Oregon doesn't usually guarentee playing time it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that if VA comes to UO next year he will start as long as he doesn't get injured and can pick up the playbook quickly enough. VA has way more talent then anyone currently on the Oregon roster who is ready to play. Jeff Lockie is a career backup, Morgan Mahalak is a redshirt freshman who still needs more time and Travis Waller(#4 DT QB in 2015) will eventually be a good player but needs a redshirt year. This is definitely a bittersweet moment for me because I love both schools, however it's hard not to see why VA woild want to go. He will have alot more TV exposure, will have a chance to play great competition weekly, and maybe most importantly will be on a team that has enough talent around him to make another serious postseason run toward a Pac 12 title or CFB playoff berth. I really wish UO and EWU weren't playing next year but thats just the nature of the beast. If EWU and Oregon were at the same level of competition I might take issue with VA transferring and then playing his former team, however Oregon is at the FBS and EWU is FCS. If EWU loses that game it in no way will hurt them for the remainder of their season and will have no effect on their Big Sky standing or FCS standing.

How many true read option plays did we run this year? VA is a scrambling QB, not a running QB. Is Oregon going to change their offense to accommodate this?

 

[kalm]

We can now appreciate how good of a player VA is. He is a twenty something young man with a vision of being the best at his position. Do you really think the coaching staff at U of O would attempt to give the keys to a QB that they feel isn't going to be the man. Most of us are grown men and we get on here and complain about the rules and how its not fair etc etc etc... Lets put ourselves in VA shoes. Realistically we cant.

He needs to grow and be the best that he can be. We also need to realize we are now the big time and need to lead by example. I am not impressed at some of these comments and if I were 18 year old kid about to send a University my NLI I may change my mind.

Its our job as fans to support the Eagles and student athletes not judge them for one of the biggest decisions of their young life.

At the end of the day I will pray for VA and his family that what ever he decides its for the right reason.

Sorry Fuzz, I may have missed it, but I see nothing but questioning comments on here vs. critical comments. I think most if not all of us hope the best for Vernon, but the situation begs questions both from a regulations standpoint and a decision standpoint.

Speaking of which, do you know whether Vernon has been offered the keys?

 

[LDopaPDX]

Vernon is gone... I believe he already told the staff he doesn't want to play here anymore. Bummer.

That said, the staff is really high on Hennessy and think he's better at this stage than Vernon was.... Give him some time during Spring ball to become the "man" and we should have another outstanding QB.