Vernon Adams

[DefendtheRed]

If he goes, I hope he is truly successful. He starts and plays every game. That will be one of the very best marketing and recruiting tools Eastern will ever have. A million $$ worth of advertising and promotion very week. Pictures of the red turf, comments and discussion of our program on every pregame show and during the game. It will elevate EWU's program in every High school. When you take a minute to think this move thru, I am not sure you can find a better outcome. When Coach Bo leaves we will see the best possible coaches apply. This is absolutely a great deal for both VA the coaches and EWU.

Appreciate the glass half full approach, but when he goes nobody will remember him as the Big Sky GOAT from EWU. They will remember him as the kid who played at Oregon for one year.

 

[DefendtheRed]

Vernon is gone... I believe he already told the staff he doesn't want to play here anymore. Bummer.

Any more insight on this? I know us aren't privy to even a fraction of what goes on behind closed doors but I would be interested to know if he told Baldwin he doesn't want to play for him before or after the Oregon rumors started. I know the football banquet was very recent and that he attended. What could have happened between December and now that would have created such a deep rift that a player wouldn't want to play for Beau Baldwin, who is widely regarded as the quintessential "player's coach"? It is just a strange, puzzling sequence of events.

I heard this from someone else today. If in fact the rift is between Coach Baldwin and Adams, I would be floored.

I played for two head coaches at Eastern. When Coach Baldwin came back I realized how great of a coach he is. I can't imagine anyone not wanting to play for him.

I think we are in for a great competition between West and Hennessey to see who will lead the team into the next era.

Every thing is looking up for the program. It's a great day to be an Eagle!

Yep. Leaving if he doesn't want to play at Eastern is one thing (and that's totally fine), I just hope that it's on good terms.

Considering the position they've been put in, it occurs to me that the Athletic Department and Coaching Staff have handled this entire situation with an incredible amount of dignity and class. How many other Division I football coaches, FCS or otherwise, would handle this as well? Not many!!!

 

[eaglesfootball]

It was mentioned that if VA goes to Oregon would a backup from there possibly transfer here. It reminded me of many transfers who come here thinking they have it made not realizing the talent here at EWU. In the Spring of '04 the #3 QB from Oregon, Andy Collins, transferred here as Oregon wanted him to switch to linebacker. The Zillah native found competition tough at the QB position and after Spring ball was the #3 QB behind a RSSoph and a RSFrosh(EWU wanted to play linebacker after Spring). He then transferred to Occidental College where he had a great career at QB going on to try out for NY Giants and playing arena ball. A great person who's life was cut short at 27 from a heart attack. Point being that EWU is a top notch FCS program where players are in top form and competition is fierce...says a lot about our program.

i was hoping someone would mention this. every situation is different and a lot of times I think people fall into this kind of trap where they think one player is a be all end all solution. maybe Helfig has promised him the starting job and if so then i cannot blame him for giving it a shot. I do think it is highly unlikely that any Division I coach in America is going to give that kind of guarantee and if that is the case there is a tremendous risk involved with this situation. the worst thing imaginable would be to see him forego his Senior season at Eastern only to not be named the starter and have to sit. i also think he is a know commodity to nfl scouts at this time and there is only a very slim possibility that playing in the pac-12 is going to substantially raise his profile.

not going to comment on what was previously posted in reference to hs coach other than to say it's important for everyone to have mentors. I just hope that the people advising him are worthy of giving the kind of sound advice that Mr. Adams needs during this difficult time. I truly wish him the best and will still be a fan should he choose to cross over to the dark side but no amount of bling can replace the football culture and family environment at eastern, period.

 

[MontanaEagle]

As an EWU alum living in Montana, I have enjoyed the last 4 games against UM as the Eagles have won 4 straight. The UM fans are...passionate and very confident about their team. To see them eat crow 4 times in a row has been very pleasing to see. Vernon Adams played a big part in those victories. My son and I go to either Missoula or Bozeman to watch the Eagles play the Montana teams (we make the trip from Billings, Mt to Cheney, WA about 4 times a year too). We have had the pleasure of visiting with Vernon a handful of time. Each time we have spoken to him he has been very nice. He played catch with my son after the UM game in 2013. After the 1 point victory against MSU this year, he said to me, "Sorry I didn't play very well." This young man has been very cordial, polite, and humble. We are huge fans, and we support him 100% in his decision. I know I left jobs before because a better opportunity arose. Playing at Oregon State would put him on the big stage and increase his exposure. Vernon has a young son and must do what he can to provide for his family. I was looking at the Ducks schedule at they are playing at Colorado on 10/3, and if he transfers, then I am going to go down there and watch him wearing my EWU gear.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

Vernon is gone... I believe he already told the staff he doesn't want to play here anymore. Bummer.

Do you differentiate between "he doesn't want to play here anymore" and I would rather get a shot at playing in the Pac 12?

At the end of the day is there that much of a difference?

 

[Seattle Eagle]

I think the most likely scenario is that UO leaked their interest in him via a "source" in the media, and then there was probably some sort of discussion that followed that. The UO coaches could not have contacted him prior to him being released from his scholarship, but that does not mean that other people connected to the program, such as boosters, didn't. Just the way of big time collegiate athletics these days.

I honestly don't even care how it went down since none of it really matters and it ain't gunna bring him back at this point. I wish him well whatever his future holds and am excited about the next chapter. :thumb:

This was started by folks back home. Former HS coach and dad.

:?

 

[ewusigep252]

 

[EWU98]

This actually upsets me now....so with signing day here in like a day and he hasn't decided?
So my new q is by giving him his release does that mean they pulled his scholarship for next year?

 

[Seattle Eagle]

This actually upsets me now....so with signing day here in like a day and he hasn't decided?
So my new q is by giving him his release does that mean they pulled his scholarship for next year?

Not a big deal. It's not unusual for programs to set aside a scholarship or two for an off season transfer. This probably falls into the same type of category.

 

[Rjones61]

This actually upsets me now....so with signing day here in like a day and he hasn't decided?
So my new q is by giving him his release does that mean they pulled his scholarship for next year?

Not a big deal. It's not unusual for programs to set aside a scholarship or two for an off season transfer. This probably falls into the same type of category.

Exactly this. :thumb:

 

[EWURanger]

This actually upsets me now....so with signing day here in like a day and he hasn't decided?
So my new q is by giving him his release does that mean they pulled his scholarship for next year?

:thumb:

 

[LDopaPDX]

If he goes, I hope he is truly successful. He starts and plays every game. That will be one of the very best marketing and recruiting tools Eastern will ever have. A million $$ worth of advertising and promotion very week. Pictures of the red turf, comments and discussion of our program on every pregame show and during the game. It will elevate EWU's program in every High school. When you take a minute to think this move thru, I am not sure you can find a better outcome. When Coach Bo leaves we will see the best possible coaches apply. This is absolutely a great deal for both VA the coaches and EWU.

If he goes, he's just another player at another school. But this would be a nightmare for Eastern. All it would show is that we're now a feeder program where if a kid is good enough, he can eventually leave for the "big time." This is a slap in the face of any non-top tier school who can see their best players courted by bigger programs.

Look at Kurt Schulz, Michael Roos, etc who played their years out at Eastern and succeeded in the NFL. Vernon is trying to scrap that in favor of leaving if the opportunity arises. He has a choice if he wants to be affiliated with Eastern, and if he chooses not to be associated with the university, than I'd say to him not to let the door hit him on the ass on the way out. He's a fringe NFL guy whether he plays here or in Eugene.

Keep in mind, if Eastern didn't offer him, he be a guy with 6-8 career wins at Portland State with no notoriety to speak of. This works both ways; He's been good for Eastern, but Eastern has been very good to Vernon Adams.

 

[ewueagle2010]

If he goes, I hope he is truly successful. He starts and plays every game. That will be one of the very best marketing and recruiting tools Eastern will ever have. A million $$ worth of advertising and promotion very week. Pictures of the red turf, comments and discussion of our program on every pregame show and during the game. It will elevate EWU's program in every High school. When you take a minute to think this move thru, I am not sure you can find a better outcome. When Coach Bo leaves we will see the best possible coaches apply. This is absolutely a great deal for both VA the coaches and EWU.

If he goes, he's just another player at another school. But this would be a nightmare for Eastern. All it would show is that we're now a feeder program where if a kid is good enough, he can eventually leave for the "big time." This is a slap in the face of any non-top tier school who can see their best players courted by bigger programs.

Look at Kurt Schulz, Michael Roos, etc who played their years out at Eastern and succeeded in the NFL. Vernon is trying to scrap that in favor of leaving if the opportunity arises. He has a choice if he wants to be affiliated with Eastern, and if he chooses not to be associated with the university, than I'd say to him not to let the door hit him on the ass on the way out. He's a fringe NFL guy whether he plays here or in Eugene.

Keep in mind, if Eastern didn't offer him, he be a guy with 6-8 career wins at Portland State with no notoriety to speak of. This works both ways; He's been good for Eastern, but Eastern has been very good to Vernon Adams.

DING DING DING!!

I appreciate VA just as much as any other EWU fan, but these are my feelings as well. Just because he's been a great player for us, doesn't mean I have to support him leaving in this style. I still hold out hope he makes the right decision for himself, not just because I'm an EWU guy.

 

[EWURanger]

If he goes, I hope he is truly successful. He starts and plays every game. That will be one of the very best marketing and recruiting tools Eastern will ever have. A million $$ worth of advertising and promotion very week. Pictures of the red turf, comments and discussion of our program on every pregame show and during the game. It will elevate EWU's program in every High school. When you take a minute to think this move thru, I am not sure you can find a better outcome. When Coach Bo leaves we will see the best possible coaches apply. This is absolutely a great deal for both VA the coaches and EWU.

If he goes, he's just another player at another school. But this would be a nightmare for Eastern. All it would show is that we're now a feeder program where if a kid is good enough, he can eventually leave for the "big time." This is a slap in the face of any non-top tier school who can see their best players courted by bigger programs.

Look at Kurt Schulz, Michael Roos, etc who played their years out at Eastern and succeeded in the NFL. Vernon is trying to scrap that in favor of leaving if the opportunity arises. He has a choice if he wants to be affiliated with Eastern, and if he chooses not to be associated with the university, than I'd say to him not to let the door hit him on the ass on the way out. He's a fringe NFL guy whether he plays here or in Eugene.

Keep in mind, if Eastern didn't offer him, he be a guy with 6-8 career wins at Portland State with no notoriety to speak of. This works both ways; He's been good for Eastern, but Eastern has been very good to Vernon Adams.

Like a lot of NCAA rules, this one probably started out with good intentions, but as with all of them, the big schools will find a way to exploit them to their advantage. Seems like this could create a dangeroua precedent, but not necessarily one that only applies to FCS. The non-P5 FBS schools should be worried about it as well.

Not sure about the PSU comment as they've had similar talent to Eastern the past several years so he could have made a difference there. Don't think he would have had nearly the same levels of success as at EWU, however. Also think that he's had a lot of talent around him here (definitely Pac 12 talent at receiver) and an offensive system that's built around his strengths. Not sure how that's going to translate to a spread option running offense where there are so many designed run plays. I definitely think there's way more risk than reward in it but at the end of the day none of our opinions matter. I would be incredibly surprised if he stayed at this point.

 

[kalm]

If he goes, I hope he is truly successful. He starts and plays every game. That will be one of the very best marketing and recruiting tools Eastern will ever have. A million $$ worth of advertising and promotion very week. Pictures of the red turf, comments and discussion of our program on every pregame show and during the game. It will elevate EWU's program in every High school. When you take a minute to think this move thru, I am not sure you can find a better outcome. When Coach Bo leaves we will see the best possible coaches apply. This is absolutely a great deal for both VA the coaches and EWU.

If he goes, he's just another player at another school. But this would be a nightmare for Eastern. All it would show is that we're now a feeder program where if a kid is good enough, he can eventually leave for the "big time." This is a slap in the face of any non-top tier school who can see their best players courted by bigger programs.

Look at Kurt Schulz, Michael Roos, etc who played their years out at Eastern and succeeded in the NFL. Vernon is trying to scrap that in favor of leaving if the opportunity arises. He has a choice if he wants to be affiliated with Eastern, and if he chooses not to be associated with the university, than I'd say to him not to let the door hit him on the ass on the way out. He's a fringe NFL guy whether he plays here or in Eugene.

Keep in mind, if Eastern didn't offer him, he be a guy with 6-8 career wins at Portland State with no notoriety to speak of. This works both ways; He's been good for Eastern, but Eastern has been very good to Vernon Adams.

Like a lot of NCAA rules, this one probably started out with good intentions, but as with all of them, the big schools will find a way to exploit them to their advantage. Seems like this could create a dangeroua precedent, but not necessarily one that only applies to FCS. The non-P5 FBS schools should be worried about it as well.

Not sure about the PSU comment as they've had similar talent to Eastern the past several years so he could have made a difference there. Don't think he would have had nearly the same levels of success as at EWU, however. Also think that he's had a lot of talent around him here (definitely Pac 12 talent at receiver) and an offensive system that's built around his strengths. Not sure how that's going to translate to a spread option running offense where there are so many designed run plays. I definitely think there's way more risk than reward in it but at the end of the day none of our opinions matter. I would be incredibly surprised if he stayed at this point.

1) PSU didn't have Baldwin and Hill

2) Oregon will have to change their play calling at least if not the offense to accommodate Vernon's size. He's not Tim Tebow, he's Fran Tarkington.

 

[Rontheoldwiseeagle]

If he goes, I hope he is truly successful. He starts and plays every game. That will be one of the very best marketing and recruiting tools Eastern will ever have. A million $$ worth of advertising and promotion very week. Pictures of the red turf, comments and discussion of our program on every pregame show and during the game. It will elevate EWU's program in every High school. When you take a minute to think this move thru, I am not sure you can find a better outcome. When Coach Bo leaves we will see the best possible coaches apply. This is absolutely a great deal for both VA the coaches and EWU.

If he goes, he's just another player at another school. But this would be a nightmare for Eastern. All it would show is that we're now a feeder program where if a kid is good enough, he can eventually leave for the "big time." This is a slap in the face of any non-top tier school who can see their best players courted by bigger programs.

Look at Kurt Schulz, Michael Roos, etc who played their years out at Eastern and succeeded in the NFL. Vernon is trying to scrap that in favor of leaving if the opportunity arises. He has a choice if he wants to be affiliated with Eastern, and if he chooses not to be associated with the university, than I'd say to him not to let the door hit him on the ass on the way out. He's a fringe NFL guy whether he plays here or in Eugene.

Keep in mind, if Eastern didn't offer him, he be a guy with 6-8 career wins at Portland State with no notoriety to speak of. This works both ways; He's been good for Eastern, but Eastern has been very good to Vernon Adams.

DING DING DING!!

I appreciate VA just as much as any other EWU fan, but these are my feelings as well. Just because he's been a great player for us, doesn't mean I have to support him leaving in this style. I still hold out hope he makes the right decision for himself, not just because I'm an EWU guy.

You miss my point? I want his success, if he goes, for what it will do for the Eagle program. We will get lots of great coverage for each game he plays. They have to talk about how he got there, and they will show highlights of his performances, and that will allow our coaches greater recruiting opportunities.

I am not worried about the big schools poaching great players. This rule is so unique, it just doesn't happen that often. Non of your stated players would have been able to use this rule.

 

[Rontheoldwiseeagle]

This is what I am talking about. We would see articles like this every week and it would be outstanding for recruiting.
"Should Adams remain at Eastern Washington, he would again lead one of the elite programs in the FCS, including a winner of three straight Big Sky titles. Adams, from Pasadena, California, has accounted for 11,670 total yards (10,438 passing, 1,232 rushing) and 121 touchdowns (110 passing, 11 rushing) in 37 career games.

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=797641" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[dudeitsaid]

This is what I am talking about. We would see articles like this every week and it would be outstanding for recruiting.
"Should Adams remain at Eastern Washington, he would again lead one of the elite programs in the FCS, including a winner of three straight Big Sky titles. Adams, from Pasadena, California, has accounted for 11,670 total yards (10,438 passing, 1,232 rushing) and 121 touchdowns (110 passing, 11 rushing) in 37 career games.

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=797641" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I would take Adams for one more season over that. But it isn't a bad consolation prize. And I do agree, it would result in some additional national publicity for EWU. That would be great. But I think VA is a difference maker, and likely accounts for an additional win or two.

I want Adams to have success in everything he does regarding football. If he stays with us, I hope he has the season success to earn a shot in the NFL, and has success there. If he plays for the Ducks, I hope he struggles mightily against us because he still doesn't have the playbook down :mrgreen: , but like Indiana State's QB this year, gets better over the season, and ends the season strong.

 

[ewusigep252]

Totally unconfirmed, but someone floated that an Eastern player is saying that VA is considering Washington as well, visit TBD. Peter Sowards, who is a reporter familiar with the team, is trying to dig into it more.

 

[EWU98]

Can't say I am surprised about this as well. They have a huge need for a QB as well. Was actually thinking about this as well. I wonder how much disruption this will be for the team that get's him as the guys on the team will be looking over their shoulder wondering if I'm next to get replaced. Feel bad for those guys all the hard work and dedication to their school and in swoops someone to take your spot. I would be ticked!
This is a really bad precedence for college athletics.
This is looking more of a case of Beg, Borrow and Steal to save jobs, make money and get W's!
College Athletics are definitely no longer AMATEUR.