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D1 Transfers

baller said:
I am wondering why Stavrev didn't tell Rahe that Darling wasn't Division 1 material since they played on the same team in England? Or maybe he did and Rahe was desperate and took him because he couldn't do better...

"Hey coach, yeah you know my buddy from England? My teammate at Myerscough? Yeah that guy totally sucks. Don't waste your time on him. He is just a giant pile of feces out there on the court. You should go check out some other guy instead."

Because THAT conversation would happen in real life... :wall: :wall: :wall:
 
Also, if I remember correctly, I think it was Smiley who had the connection with Myerscough. So after he left that probably didn't spell good news for Darling and Stavrev. Maybe Darling gets a shot at UNCO?
 
McKay leaving gives Randy another scholarship (I think he is a total bone head counselling out Cannon) there are a number of factors that are at his discretion where he can fill this last spot.

1. Sign a JUCO
2. Sign a freshman
3. Sign a transfer
4. Sign a 5th year graduate student
5. Sit on it until this Fall and use it then for a high school guy.

In my opinion it is extremely unlikely that 1 or 2 is happening. Randy has gone that route the past three years, and look at the results. He actually did recruit Golden and Johnson-Costen knowing he needed two guys who could contribute automatically, and neither ended up doing much for the program. Baker was recruited the entire season with the same purpose and luckily, that has turned out. However, Kiko and George were guys picked up late because we had a guy announce a late transfer and neither worked out. Getting Harding was blind luck!

Now, once again, we are crossing that bridge this spring. I hope Coach has a plan this time around. Like last year, he needs another big.

With that being the case, I believe he has something set up and that either option 3 or 4 is the most likely scenario. Coach wouldn't have "counselled" Cannon out unless he knew he had someone coming in who could contribute automatically. We need depth at the point, but it is a big. He is cutting his arm hoping to grow a leg. Problem...Cannon only had two years left and so the guy coming in might have to match that time. A transfer would need automatically 1 year to sit out and then would need most likely 2 or 3 after that. If it is anything other than a 5th year graduate student, then that means someone else on the team, being retained, will be counselled out next year. There is a slight chance that it is option 5. It would give Randy a scholarship for this Fall.

Nevertheless, Randy has been quoted quite a bit lately that he wants a 6/7 ratio between bigs and guards, and I think the move by Cannon is to get the team to that ratio. So, another big is coming in. I think he is a transfer. Already I'm calling it that next year Jordan Dallas will be leaving. Braxton, Chapman, and Kozak are going to get the majority of mins. If the guy coming in is a 5th year, he will get the 4th most. Dallas will be 5. If the newb is a transfer then he will have to sit. There is a great chance that Vialen will be red shirting too. In this scenario Dallas is the 4th big. He gets limited time. However, the following year (his junior year) Braxton, Chapman, Kozak will still be the top 3 guys, but now, the transfer will be eligible, Vialen will be able to play and Tim Fuller will be back from his mission. With Dallas that means there will be 7 bigs and 6 guards/wings. One of those bigs will not be coming back next year. If Chapman, Kozak and Vialen are for real and Braxton is still here (I'm positive that will be the case), coach isn't going to cut a guy just getting back. Dallas gets counselled out.

Keeping Dallas around, in a sense, borders on the unethical in my opinion. He is only keeping Dallas cause he needs another warm body.
 
Darling is athletic enough and long enough. He needs another 30 lbs of muscle and another few years of skill training. He was a gamble that didn't pay off. He is most likely headed back to Great Briton. Stavrev has all the skills and is athletic enough. If he could get a medical release to play somewhere he might do that. He could also take a medical hardship grant and get his degree at WSU if he wants to do that.

With Cannon, it's really just a matter of what he wants to do. He is a proven player who can contribute at a mid major or be a star at a lower level. He can also be a star as a husband, father, and member of a community.

Somebody mentioned, on this thread, that we should go after another point guard. I don't see it that way. We have two freshmen points coming in next year and another one out on a mission, returning for 2018.
We don't really have a glaring need for next years team. If we are going to take a DI transfer, make it someone who can help us from 2018 on. The only way I would take a 5th year senior is if they were a sure NBA type guy. That wont happen because those guys are already in the NBA.
 
Tal wrote: "Already I'm calling it that next year Jordan Dallas will be leaving. Braxton, Chapman, and Kozak are going to get the majority of mins."

I think it's too early to make the call on Dallas. He has some real offensive skills. And height. And there are two sayings about height -- you can't coach it; and when everyone else is tired, he'll still be tall.
He does need to grow into his body and develop some post player toughness. That could happen in the next half a year. It might not, in which case I think Tal is right.
Plus, we have yet to see Kozack play against D1 competition. Too often I read glowing reports of recruits on this site and then we find out they aren't the player people thought they were. I'm not saying Kozack won't be good, I'm just saying let's wait and see.
 
I agree that we need to wait and see with the new guys. But we pretty much know what we have with Dallas. I know you can't coach height, but low motor guys usually don't develop into high motor guys. If he was a high motor guy he likely wouldn't be at Weber State. You are 100% right that we were giving glowing reports of Dallas while we were recruiting him too.
 
Olds, I count on one freshman true point guard coming in next year. You state that there are two. I know about Ricky "Doc" Nelson and he is a true point. Are you considering either Court or Ari-Turner as points? I would be surprised if either of these guys is a true point... What about Spencer the following year? Could he be a true point guard or like Turner and Court a 2 guard masquerading as a point?
 
I predicted that Cannon would be let go several months ago and got blasted on here for that call. To me, it was obvious based on how Rahe used him. I predict that John will be used very sparingly this coming year and will be let go after that season. He isn't good enough to play the 2/3 and definitely not a true, or effective for that matter, point guard. Dallas is being given another year, in my opinion, because we have a shortage of bigs for next year already. He will be gone after next season also. Those two guys are nice guys, good guys, just not good enough basketball players. The only way they will last past this coming season is if all of this year's recruits are total busts.
 
baller said:
By the way, Rahe is now challenging Kristkowiak at Utah in the personnel turnover arena.

I guess the truth hurts because that one did!

I don't know about this trend to counsel all these kids to move on. I think the program should show more loyalty to their players. Cannon seems a little over the top. I do get Darling and Starvrev. Maybe this is the trickle down affect of getting Ari-Turner and Kozak late in the recruiting process, but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth...
 
This is Division 1 basketball, not Country Hills Ward church basketball. So what if a player is told he is probably not going to play much the next year and would probably be best at a different school. I'm sure the coaches are straight up with the players and help them find a good situation. We have no idea what is said to the players before they leave. Do you really think it would help Darling to stick around here for 4 more years and never play? I would rather be told I will not play much and find a better place then be strung around for 4 years. Some of you make is sound like Weber State is the only school to have transfers and its so bad and evil. Recruiting is not an exact science. Players come and go. Whoop de doo. Last year according to Verbal Commits there were over 800.
 
wazzuwildcat03 said:
This is Division 1 basketball, not Country Hills Ward church basketball. So what if a player is told he is probably not going to play much the next year and would probably be best at a different school. I'm sure the coaches are straight up with the players and help them find a good situation. We have no idea what is said to the players before they leave. Do you really think it would help Darling to stick around here for 4 more years and never play? I would rather be told I will not play much and find a better place then be strung around for 4 years. Some of you make is sound like Weber State is the only school to have transfers and its so bad and evil. Recruiting is not an exact science. Players come and go. Whoop de doo. Last year according to Verbal Commits there were over 800.

I bet Darling would get schooled in the Country Hills Ward church ball game. Weber has about the same transfer rate as everywhere else. I just don't understand why we brought Darling over for the role that he played for one year. We could have found a tall guy with a pulse and eligibility much closer than England.
 
I will say this about Country Hills Ward basketball, I bet we could have beat St. Kathrine College, Antelope Valley, and Montana Tech. I should tell Coach Rahe to schedule us instead of those guys.
 
wazzuwildcat03 said:
I will say this about Country Hills Ward basketball, I bet we could have beat St. Kathrine College, Antelope Valley, and Montana Tech. I should tell Coach Rahe to schedule us instead of those guys.

Didn't we decide you, me, bengalhater, talhad, and pccat could beat those teams? lol
 
UtahPirate said:
baller said:
By the way, Rahe is now challenging Kristkowiak at Utah in the personnel turnover arena.

I guess the truth hurts because that one did!

I don't know about this trend to counsel all these kids to move on. I think the program should show more loyalty to their players. Cannon seems a little over the top. I do get Darling and Starvrev. Maybe this is the trickle down affect of getting Ari-Turner and Kozak late in the recruiting process, but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth...

And ... the Utes lose two starters in Daniels and Zamora to transfer. I may not like all the counseling kids out, but I sure hope Rahe has a better personal relationship with players than what is going on down at the Cancer in the Corner. I hate being compared to that pathetic school in any way...

BTW, I'm with WSUProf on Dallas. I watch him shoot FTs and can't help but feel there is something there as he has a nice touch. I watch him make good inside moves and then leave the ball short (time and time again) and I can't help but feel that he needs more upper body strength. Another year for him.
 
baller said:
I am wondering why Stavrev didn't tell Rahe that Darling wasn't Division 1 material since they played on the same team in England? Or maybe he did and Rahe was desperate and took him because he couldn't do better...

Stavrev and Darling never played on the same team together. They went to the same academy but 2 years apart. Get your facts right before making stupid comments. Darling could be D1 material if given the chance.
 
Think you all seem to think this is some kind of pro league, it's not. it's kids playing ball at college and studying. You put to much expectation on these kids to fill the void in your own lives. How far did you get in college playing sport? Not far i'm guessing. Stop demeaning the players they all do their best, just because it doesn't live up to your expectations doesn't make them bad. Leave them all alone to enjoy the experience.
 
Interesting Hawkeye, that Darling and Stavrev played 2 years apart at Meyerscough. Stavrev came to WSU in 2015-16 school year and Darling in the 2016-17 school year. By my math (which admittedly is lacking) that puts them one year apart at Meyerscough. Maybe you have some info that I am not privy too...
 
I remember when Chris Golden came here from JC and played only one year and was "counseled out" by Rahe. He was a starter who averaged more minutes, more points, more rebounds in that one season than Cannon did this season. Cannon did have more assists than Golden. Yet this blog seem to think that letting him go was justified. I joined in that opinion. So, if Golden wasn't good enough to keep, why should Cannon be considered good enough to stay? Is it because he was a better person, a more liked person, a person we could relate to easier? WHY?
 
baller said:
Interesting Hawkeye, that Darling and Stavrev played 2 years apart at Meyerscough. Stavrev came to WSU in 2015-16 school year and Darling in the 2016-17 school year. By my math (which admittedly is lacking) that puts them one year apart at Meyerscough. Maybe you have some info that I am not privy too...

I hold my hands up, yes it was 1 year apart.My mistake. But would you expect a kid to tell a coach "yes don't take him, get someone else". he has had a experience of a lifetime although not played, would you deny him that for your own selfishness? just to win games. :ohno:
 

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