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PlayerParent said:
Beardown said:
PlayerParent said:
Beardown said:
PlayerParent said:
I'm sorry Beardown, I don't understand the correlation. There are better assistants at some of the local high schools that make even less than these guys...You could have an assistant that makes more than $100K and that would not mean he is capable...it' the "selection" of the assistants more than it is the pay!

Who is your son? Please don't hide behind a keyboard. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you.

I'm not speaking for my son, I'm speaking from my perspective. My son's name is completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread or the subject of my posts. I'm not hiding behind a key board, if you want to meet with me to discuss points of view that can be arranged. The better question is why are you so concerned with who my son is?


Ok - PM me. I'll probably be at the Montana State game. Perhaps before hand.

Your request is acceptable but I'm sorry not to be in tuned with what "PM me" means? Please explain and while you're at it please answer my question as to why are you so concerned with who my son is...

Shoot me a private message. I think I know who you are though, as I've had similar conversations with parents at games. Anyways...I hope you're son no matter how frustrated is grateful for a scholarship (if he is on one) and chance to play college football. You both might hate Collins but he's getting an opportunity most of us don't get.
 
Beardown said:
PlayerParent said:
Beardown said:
PlayerParent said:
Beardown said:
PlayerParent said:
I'm sorry Beardown, I don't understand the correlation. There are better assistants at some of the local high schools that make even less than these guys...You could have an assistant that makes more than $100K and that would not mean he is capable...it' the "selection" of the assistants more than it is the pay!

Who is your son? Please don't hide behind a keyboard. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you.

I'm not speaking for my son, I'm speaking from my perspective. My son's name is completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread or the subject of my posts. I'm not hiding behind a key board, if you want to meet with me to discuss points of view that can be arranged. The better question is why are you so concerned with who my son is?


Ok - PM me. I'll probably be at the Montana State game. Perhaps before hand.

Your request is acceptable but I'm sorry not to be in tuned with what "PM me" means? Please explain and while you're at it please answer my question as to why are you so concerned with who my son is...

Shoot me a private message. I think I know who you are though, as I've had similar conversations with parents at games. Anyways...I hope you're son no matter how frustrated is grateful for a scholarship (if he is on one) and chance to play college football. You both might hate Collins but he's getting an opportunity most of us don't get.

I don't hate Collins, I don't know the man well enough to past that kind of judgement. I am simply stating my opinion (like others have and I'm sure will continue to do) that he is not the right man for the head coaching position at UNC. When he first came I hoped he would be but his actions (and that of his staff) have consistently shown otherwise. My son is extremely grateful to have the opportunities that have been placed before him. He has worked hard (and will continue to work hard) to earn them. As I mentioned before, I am not speaking for my son, I am speaking from my perspective! You can feel free to let me know who you are and I'll let you know if I have been one of the several conversations like this you've had but you should take heed of the one common denominator of the "several" conversations you've had on the subject. It lends to my point that there is something very wrong with the direction of this program.
 
PlayerParent said:
Beardown said:
PlayerParent said:
Beardown said:
PlayerParent said:
Beardown said:
PlayerParent said:
I'm sorry Beardown, I don't understand the correlation. There are better assistants at some of the local high schools that make even less than these guys...You could have an assistant that makes more than $100K and that would not mean he is capable...it' the "selection" of the assistants more than it is the pay!

Who is your son? Please don't hide behind a keyboard. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you.

I'm not speaking for my son, I'm speaking from my perspective. My son's name is completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread or the subject of my posts. I'm not hiding behind a key board, if you want to meet with me to discuss points of view that can be arranged. The better question is why are you so concerned with who my son is?


Ok - PM me. I'll probably be at the Montana State game. Perhaps before hand.

Your request is acceptable but I'm sorry not to be in tuned with what "PM me" means? Please explain and while you're at it please answer my question as to why are you so concerned with who my son is...

Shoot me a private message. I think I know who you are though, as I've had similar conversations with parents at games. Anyways...I hope you're son no matter how frustrated is grateful for a scholarship (if he is on one) and chance to play college football. You both might hate Collins but he's getting an opportunity most of us don't get.

I don't hate Collins, I don't know the man well enough to past that kind of judgement. I am simply stating my opinion (like others have and I'm sure will continue to do) that he is not the right man for the head coaching position at UNC. When he first came I hoped he would be but his actions (and that of his staff) have consistently shown otherwise. My son is extremely grateful to have the opportunities that have been placed before him. He has worked hard (and will continue to work hard) to earn them. As I mentioned before, I am not speaking for my son, I am speaking from my perspective! You can feel free to let me know who you are and I'll let you know if I have been one of the several conversations like this you've had but you should take heed of the one common denominator of the "several" conversations you've had on the subject. It lends to my point that there is something very wrong with the direction of this program.

I understand your point, but the bottom line is that this university does not have the leadership, nor the funds to be successful at Big SKy football. We don't have the funds to get better coaches.
 
looks like John Wristen from CSU-P makes about $67k and Collins' base salary is $95k as shown in the contract someone posted earlier. The incentives in Collins' contract would enable him to make $150k pretty easily. It sure seems that if Wristen was targeted, he would be interested in making double his present salary or maybe more if the University ever got serious about winning.

http://csupueblotoday.com/sports/csu-pueblo-follows-sport-wide-money-trend" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I listened to the post-game interview with Collins and he sounded like he's already given up on the season, talking about how he will make adjustments in the off-season. He said he feels like this team is "a joke" and the reason they lose is "they aren't making plays," meaning the players. I'm sure his pre and post-game speeches to the team are truly inspirational.

One of the players was pounding his helmet into the concrete out of frustration at the end of the game and the body language of most players was pure frustration. This just shows that the team has no leadership and no hope. People are more productive under good leadership whether it's in the military, sports or any other job and frustrated people are definitely less productive. The players know they worked their asses off all off-season only to be embarrassed week in and week out, year in and year out because there is no leadership. The team is so pathetic the opposing fans are coming on here and trying to make us feel better; hilarious. While I appreciate the sentiments, it shows what a pathetic mess we are in. This team would be at the bottom of the RMAC
 
jjjj said:
looks like John Wristen from CSU-P makes about $67k and Collins' base salary is $95k as shown in the contract someone posted earlier. The incentives in Collins' contract would enable him to make $150k pretty easily. It sure seems that if Wristen was targeted, he would be interested in making double his present salary or maybe more if the University ever got serious about winning.

http://csupueblotoday.com/sports/csu-pueblo-follows-sport-wide-money-trend" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I listened to the post-game interview with Collins and he sounded like he's already given up on the season, talking about how he will make adjustments in the off-season. He said he feels like this team is "a joke" and the reason they lose is "they aren't making plays," meaning the players. I'm sure his pre and post-game speeches to the team are truly inspirational.

One of the players was pounding his helmet into the concrete out of frustration at the end of the game and the body language of most players was pure frustration. This just shows that the team has no leadership and no hope. People are more productive under good leadership whether it's in the military, sports or any other job and frustrated people are definitely less productive. The players know they worked their asses off all off-season only to be embarrassed week in and week out, year in and year out because there is no leadership. The team is so pathetic the opposing fans are coming on here and trying to make us feel better; hilarious. While I appreciate the sentiments, it shows what a pathetic mess we are in. This team would be at the bottom of the RMAC

We have him for another season. He's still under contract. We don't have the money to buy his contract out.
 
Beardown said:
jjjj said:
I listened to the post-game interview with Collins and he sounded like he's already given up on the season, talking about how he will make adjustments in the off-season. He said he feels like this team is "a joke" and the reason they lose is "they aren't making plays," meaning the players. I'm sure his pre and post-game speeches to the team are truly inspirational.

We have him for another season. He's still under contract. We don't have the money to buy his contract out.

Wow...Collins continues to prove my point about any sense of accountability through his own words. What has changed since Lindenwood? This team is made up of the majority of his recruits at this point. If they are a "joke", who is responsible? He will make "adjustments" in the off-season? Why would anyone believe they will be any different than the adjustments he has made the last 3 off seasons? How can you fix a problem when you refuse to acknowledge it by taking accountability and fix it at the root? No matter the organization, team or company...losers give excuses while winners provide solutions.

If he is going to give up on the rest of this year it is justifiable for the student body, alumni, administration, fans and returning players to give up on 2014 and look forward to March 1, 2015! Why not give a preview of the adjustments that will be made in the off-season?
 
PlayerParent said:
Beardown said:
jjjj said:
I listened to the post-game interview with Collins and he sounded like he's already given up on the season, talking about how he will make adjustments in the off-season. He said he feels like this team is "a joke" and the reason they lose is "they aren't making plays," meaning the players. I'm sure his pre and post-game speeches to the team are truly inspirational.

We have him for another season. He's still under contract. We don't have the money to buy his contract out.

Wow...Collins continues to prove my point about any sense of accountability through his own words. What has changed since Lindenwood? This team is made up of the majority of his recruits at this point. If they are a "joke", who is responsible? He will make "adjustments" in the off-season? Why would anyone believe they will be any different than the adjustments he has made the last 3 off seasons? How can you fix a problem when you refuse to acknowledge it by taking accountability and fix it at the root? No matter the organization, team or company...losers give excuses while winners provide solutions.

If he is going to give up on the rest of this year it is justifiable for the student body, alumni, administration, fans and returning players to give up on 2014 and look forward to March 1, 2015! Why not give a preview of the adjustments that will be made in the off-season with the remainder of this season? Don't talk about it, be about it!
 
jjjj said:
looks like John Wristen from CSU-P makes about $67k and Collins' base salary is $95k as shown in the contract someone posted earlier. The incentives in Collins' contract would enable him to make $150k pretty easily. It sure seems that if Wristen was targeted, he would be interested in making double his present salary or maybe more if the University ever got serious about winning.

Wisten makes close to 90k plus bonuses as I stated before. Your link is 5 years old.
 
No disrespect, but I don't take the word of some anonymous poster who "states" things without providing supporting evidence. I have a hard time believing Wristen has had a $30k raise in five years at a public institution.
 
Beardown said:
jjjj said:
looks like John Wristen from CSU-P makes about $67k and Collins' base salary is $95k as shown in the contract someone posted earlier. The incentives in Collins' contract would enable him to make $150k pretty easily. It sure seems that if Wristen was targeted, he would be interested in making double his present salary or maybe more if the University ever got serious about winning.

http://csupueblotoday.com/sports/csu-pueblo-follows-sport-wide-money-trend" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I listened to the post-game interview with Collins and he sounded like he's already given up on the season, talking about how he will make adjustments in the off-season. He said he feels like this team is "a joke" and the reason they lose is "they aren't making plays," meaning the players. I'm sure his pre and post-game speeches to the team are truly inspirational.

One of the players was pounding his helmet into the concrete out of frustration at the end of the game and the body language of most players was pure frustration. This just shows that the team has no leadership and no hope. People are more productive under good leadership whether it's in the military, sports or any other job and frustrated people are definitely less productive. The players know they worked their asses off all off-season only to be embarrassed week in and week out, year in and year out because there is no leadership. The team is so pathetic the opposing fans are coming on here and trying to make us feel better; hilarious. While I appreciate the sentiments, it shows what a pathetic mess we are in. This team would be at the bottom of the RMAC

We have him for another season. He's still under contract. We don't have the money to buy his contract out.

They could terminate him for cause under Paragraph 7(e) for "Collins' unwillingness to perform the duties of head football coach as specified in writing by the Director of Athletics." This contract incorporates by reference into the contract almost any written document the AD gives him, so it is a very mushy contract. If the AD directed him to refrain from making statements detrimental to the team, his comments calling the team a joke and essentially giving up on the season could be "unwillingness to perform his contract." Collins has a First Amendment right to freedom of speech, but as the Supreme Court ruled, he does not have a First Amendment right to be employed by the government. Pickering v Board of Education held that if government employees make statements that are "of the sort to cause a substantial interference with the ability of the employee to continue to do his job," they could be fired. I would say that there is a good argument that calling the team a joke and giving up on the season would interfere with his ability to continue to do his job.

If they fired him, he would have to sue in District Court which would probably cost about $30k in attorneys' fees and other costs. Given that, and the uncertainty of his case, many lawyers would tell him to settle for $30k. UNC has its own lawyers so defending Collins' lawsuit would require them to stop playing video solitaire for a while, but it would cost UNC nothing in attorneys' fees. In the end, UNC is only out-of-pocket $30k which could easily be made up in ticket sales if a new coach came in and started winning.
 
jjjj said:
No disrespect, but I don't take the word of some anonymous poster who "states" things without providing supporting evidence. I have a hard time believing Wristen has had a $30k raise in five years at a public institution.

I don't care what you believe or don't believe, look it up. Also, making almost 90k from $68k is a $20k raise, not $30k. A 5 year old link before CSU-P had any sort of success is much more believable though, you're right.

Since you go off a 5 year old article rather than looking up public information however, I will look it up again for you and post the entire salary of every CSU-P faculty member. Give me a minute.
 
http://www.colostate-pueblo.edu/VPFA/reportsandminutes/Documents/Budget%20Presentations/PERSONNEL%20and%20OPERATING%20BUDGET%20BOOK%2010.12.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you would please scroll to page 73/170 and look at John Wristen's salary it states - $89,853.00 Like I said, almost $90k base salary.

I had no reason to lie about this, not sure why no one knows this is all public information. I already posted where to find the salary for all UNC employees.
 
jjjj said:
Beardown said:
jjjj said:
looks like John Wristen from CSU-P makes about $67k and Collins' base salary is $95k as shown in the contract someone posted earlier. The incentives in Collins' contract would enable him to make $150k pretty easily. It sure seems that if Wristen was targeted, he would be interested in making double his present salary or maybe more if the University ever got serious about winning.

http://csupueblotoday.com/sports/csu-pueblo-follows-sport-wide-money-trend" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I listened to the post-game interview with Collins and he sounded like he's already given up on the season, talking about how he will make adjustments in the off-season. He said he feels like this team is "a joke" and the reason they lose is "they aren't making plays," meaning the players. I'm sure his pre and post-game speeches to the team are truly inspirational.

One of the players was pounding his helmet into the concrete out of frustration at the end of the game and the body language of most players was pure frustration. This just shows that the team has no leadership and no hope. People are more productive under good leadership whether it's in the military, sports or any other job and frustrated people are definitely less productive. The players know they worked their asses off all off-season only to be embarrassed week in and week out, year in and year out because there is no leadership. The team is so pathetic the opposing fans are coming on here and trying to make us feel better; hilarious. While I appreciate the sentiments, it shows what a pathetic mess we are in. This team would be at the bottom of the RMAC

We have him for another season. He's still under contract. We don't have the money to buy his contract out.

They could terminate him for cause under Paragraph 7(e) for "Collins' unwillingness to perform the duties of head football coach as specified in writing by the Director of Athletics." This contract incorporates by reference into the contract almost any written document the AD gives him, so it is a very mushy contract. If the AD directed him to refrain from making statements detrimental to the team, his comments calling the team a joke and essentially giving up on the season could be "unwillingness to perform his contract." Collins has a First Amendment right to freedom of speech, but as the Supreme Court ruled, he does not have a First Amendment right to be employed by the government. Pickering v Board of Education held that if government employees make statements that are "of the sort to cause a substantial interference with the ability of the employee to continue to do his job," they could be fired. I would say that there is a good argument that calling the team a joke and giving up on the season would interfere with his ability to continue to do his job.

If they fired him, he would have to sue in District Court which would probably cost about $30k in attorneys' fees and other costs. Given that, and the uncertainty of his case, many lawyers would tell him to settle for $30k. UNC has its own lawyers so defending Collins' lawsuit would require them to stop playing video solitaire for a while, but it would cost UNC nothing in attorneys' fees. In the end, UNC is only out-of-pocket $30k which could easily be made up in ticket sales if a new coach came in and started winning.

It won't happen without an A.D. He has no true true boss to hold him accountable. Next year though this thread should be 50 pages. I don't see an improvement after the talent we lose this season.
 
PlayerParent said:
Beardown said:
jjjj said:
I listened to the post-game interview with Collins and he sounded like he's already given up on the season, talking about how he will make adjustments in the off-season. He said he feels like this team is "a joke" and the reason they lose is "they aren't making plays," meaning the players. I'm sure his pre and post-game speeches to the team are truly inspirational.

We have him for another season. He's still under contract. We don't have the money to buy his contract out.

Wow...Collins continues to prove my point about any sense of accountability through his own words. What has changed since Lindenwood? This team is made up of the majority of his recruits at this point. If they are a "joke", who is responsible? He will make "adjustments" in the off-season? Why would anyone believe they will be any different than the adjustments he has made the last 3 off seasons? How can you fix a problem when you refuse to acknowledge it by taking accountability and fix it at the root? No matter the organization, team or company...losers give excuses while winners provide solutions.

If he is going to give up on the rest of this year it is justifiable for the student body, alumni, administration, fans and returning players to give up on 2014 and look forward to March 1, 2015! Why not give a preview of the adjustments that will be made in the off-season?

Cool your jets.

https://soundcloud.com/troy-coverdale/unc-hc-earnest-collins-jr-1

The word "joke" was never used in the post-game interview. Collins said that he feels like Job, as in the biblical story. Also, as for giving up on the rest of this year: listen to the discussion about the week off & preparing for the next game. That's not giving up.

Finally, I learned a long time ago in this business that people are going to hear what they want to hear.
 
Sorry, I guess I don't hear a lot of football teams compared to Job and since I was thinking the team is a joke, I projected that. When I think about it, comparing the situation to Job's is still refusing to take responsibility for the losses and is worse than calling it a joke. God isn't making bad things happen to this team to prove a point to Satan. He has lost this team due to his own actions or lack of action--pure and simple.

As far as Collins', giving up on the season, it sure sounded like it to me. He mentioned the next few games but the tone of his voice was that their outcomes are foregone conclusions,and started talking about making adjustments in the off-season. It is way too early for that yet, unless he's giving up on the season.
 
Just as a point of reference from the UNC Athletic website:
"I can't explain it, I don't understand it and it's frustrating for our kids because they are working and they haven't given up," Collins said. "There's no sense of panic, they're just tired of losing and so are we. It sucks for me as a head coach when you're trying to figure it out and you can't put your finger on it. There's something there that we, as a staff, are obviously missing with our kids. So we're going to keep working into the bye week and these next four games. We're going to do a hard reevaluation of what we do and how we do it and are we doing what's best for our kids – are we putting them in the best situations to accomplish what we are trying to accomplish?"
Wow!
I have a few questions....mr. collins stated there is no sense of panic.....must programs talk about a sense of urgency.....from what I can see, there is simply no sense (not to be confused with nonsense).
Another observation....there is excessive energy referred to in the coaches comments as "trying"....look, either do the job or do not .....there is no sense in trying (Yodaish). Obviously, the time spent by the staff admiring the problem is wasted.
With a note of sarcasm, I would like to point out how much better things are because these are collins' players. We are far better off than last year, when this staff had to deal with the crappy kids they inherited. My theory is that last years bunch said "screw it" we'll just play hard in spite of these Coaches (or maybe even to spite these Coaches.
Comments??
 
FIRE COLLINS NOW!!! I played for him and still keep in touch with a lot of the guys still playing. Nobody wants to play for him. You guys don't hear the things he says behind closed doors and I won't go into them because it would probably stir up alot of sh*t
 
Good "Moral" Victory for the UNC Coaching Staffing...I thought they already fired Downing? Will history repeat itself? :roll:
 
PlayerParent said:
Good "Moral" Victory for the UNC Coaching Staffing...I thought they already fired Downing? Will history repeat itself? :roll:

Collins won't get fired. Can't afford the buy-out.
 

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