PLAYOFF PICTURE

[tomq04]

will cal poly be considered quality with a losing season? What is considered a quality game? The whole system seems weird to say the least.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

So any guesses on how many teams the Big Sky will get in? 3, 4, or 5?

 

[luckyintheorder]

Even if we win out, it's conceivable that they give us the #4 seed. NDSU and EIU probably has the #1 and #2 seeds locked up, so we are fighting for the #3 seed at this point. Not sure who they play, but SELA losing next Saturday would help us out.

What he said.

Not one to worry about how the NCAA does seeding after the 2010 season as it seems like a crapshoot. Caveat: As long as EWU is seeded.

Likely SELA wins next week over Nicholls St., they may steal the 3 seed with recent wins over SHSU, McNeese and SFA and the Big Sky cannibalizing itself. Who can know the mind of the "committee"? The whole SRS thing and SOS looks wonky. Last week EWU was fifth on SRS.

 

[luckyintheorder]

Probably helps us really. Sam Houston could have been given a higher seed with 2-losses, but not with 3.

 

[clawman1]

Just made reservations in Matoon, IL (virtually no hotels in Charleston, IL) Dec 20-22 and Frisco, Jan 2-5
Go Eagles!!

 

[luckyintheorder]

Just made reservations in Matoon, IL (virtually no hotels in Charleston, IL) Dec 20-22 and Frisco, Jan 2-5
Go Eagles!!

Sweet. Now that is positive thinking !!!

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[eaglesfootball]

So any guesses on how many teams the Big Sky will get in? 3, 4, or 5?

Eastern, Montana, N. Arizona, and S. Utah.

 

[Rjones61]

So any guesses on how many teams the Big Sky will get in? 3, 4, or 5?

Eastern, Montana, N. Arizona, and S. Utah.

I think three get in, tops. The winner of the SUU vs NAU will be in the playoffs.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Even if we win out, it's conceivable that they give us the #4 seed. NDSU and EIU probably has the #1 and #2 seeds locked up, so we are fighting for the #3 seed at this point. Not sure who they play, but SELA losing next Saturday would help us out.

It is certainly conceivable that we'd get bumped to a 4-seed even with a big win next week.... but I'd argue it is just as conceivable that we overtake Eastern Illinois for the 2-seed. While I think it is ultimately unlikely, the OVC has a horrendous playoff record and it's tough to overcome that history.

This. Big Sky will likely get preference over the OVC, whether it's right or not, plus EWU's wins are better. I think there's better than a 50% chance we get the 2 seed as long as we take care of business of PSU at home and don't let them stick around late.

 

[eaglesfootball]

So any guesses on how many teams the Big Sky will get in? 3, 4, or 5?

Eastern, Montana, N. Arizona, and S. Utah.

I think three get in, tops. The winner of the SUU vs NAU will be in the playoffs.

negative Ghostrider. I dont see how the Sky doesn't get 4. Playoff field is expanded this year.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

So any guesses on how many teams the Big Sky will get in? 3, 4, or 5?

Eastern, Montana, N. Arizona, and S. Utah.

I think three get in, tops. The winner of the SUU vs NAU will be in the playoffs.

negative Ghostrider. I dont see how the Sky doesn't get 4. Playoff field is expanded this year.

If MSU and SUU both lose, I think the Sky only gets 3. If either MSU or SUU wins, they will be in, although I think MSU could be on the bubble even with a win.

 

[Rjones61]

So any guesses on how many teams the Big Sky will get in? 3, 4, or 5?

Eastern, Montana, N. Arizona, and S. Utah.

I think three get in, tops. The winner of the SUU vs NAU will be in the playoffs.

negative Ghostrider. I dont see how the Sky doesn't get 4. Playoff field is expanded this year.

In previous years, I would have believed this. However, Big Sky is only ranked 5th in conference strength this year. There are four conferences before us who have the potential to get four teams in.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Also. Maine is at 10-1. If they beat UNH next weekend, they'll lock up the #3 seed, and we'll be looking at the #4 or #5 seed. That said, UNH has a chance there.

I looked, ans SELA plays Nichols State, so not holding my breathe on them beating SELA.

Both RPI and Sagarin are used by the playoff committee. As of now, Eastern is ahead of Maine in both polls. The RPI has Eastern at #3 among FCS teams, while the Sagarin has Eastern at #4, just one spot and a tiny fraction of a point below SE Louisiana. This is actually a little bizarre, as Sagarin has been accused of having a favorable view of Western football teams while the RPI is notoriously biased towards the East.

 

[kalm]

Also. Maine is at 10-1. If they beat UNH next weekend, they'll lock up the #3 seed, and we'll be looking at the #4 or #5 seed. That said, UNH has a chance there.

I looked, ans SELA plays Nichols State, so not holding my breathe on them beating SELA.

Both RPI and Sagarin are used by the playoff committee. As of now, Eastern is ahead of Maine in both polls. The RPI has Eastern at #3 among FCS teams, while the Sagarin has Eastern at #4, just one spot and a tiny fraction of a point below SE Louisiana. This is actually a little bizarre, as Sagarin has been accused of having a favorable view of Western football teams while the RPI is notoriously biased towards the East.

A couple notes about Sagarin:

NDSU is 24th, overall... :?

We are 72...

EIU is 43rd overall with a SoS rank 16 spots worse than us... :dunce:

WSU is 34th... hno:

The BSC is 6th FCS behind the OVC, Ivy, and Southland... :? :lol: :rofl: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

Outside of EIU who is a very good football team, the OVC really has no marquee wins and week SoS's.

The Southland is a little better with three quality teams and several marquee wins including Sam's over us, McNeese's destruction of USF, SELA's win over Samford and NWSU's win over one of the directional Michigans.
Still, the rest of that conference is...meh.

The Ivy??? I guess we can thank Poly's loss to Yale for that one.

And therein lies the problem for the BSC I guess. Too much of the OOC is still either against FBS, DII, or each other - none of which helps.

And we also didn't fare well when we did play against other FCS conferences...MSU losing to SFA, UNC and UNI, EWU and SHSU, Davis and USD, Poly and Yale, UND and SDSU. We finished 3-6 against.

Luckily, computers are only part of the process. The OSU win, 8 game winning streak, playoff history, and OVC's playoff history will still be in the minds of the committee. I also imagine that a simple eyeball comparison of our schedule, sans computer rankings, would give us the nod over both Maine and EIU. I also think Montana and SUU winning thus week increases our chances.

 

[luckyintheorder]

Also. Maine is at 10-1. If they beat UNH next weekend, they'll lock up the #3 seed, and we'll be looking at the #4 or #5 seed. That said, UNH has a chance there.

I looked, ans SELA plays Nichols State, so not holding my breathe on them beating SELA.

Both RPI and Sagarin are used by the playoff committee. As of now, Eastern is ahead of Maine in both polls. The RPI has Eastern at #3 among FCS teams, while the Sagarin has Eastern at #4, just one spot and a tiny fraction of a point below SE Louisiana. This is actually a little bizarre, as Sagarin has been accused of having a favorable view of Western football teams while the RPI is notoriously biased towards the East.

A couple notes about Sagarin:

NDSU is 24th, overall... :?

We are 72...

EIU is 43rd overall with a SoS rank 16 spots worse than us... :dunce:

WSU is 34th... hno:

The BSC is 6th FCS behind the OVC, Ivy, and Southland... :? :lol: :rofl: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

Outside of EIU who is a very good football team, the OVC really has no marquee wins and week SoS's.

The Southland is a little better with three quality teams and several marquee wins including Sam's over us, McNeese's destruction of USF, SELA's win over Samford and NWSU's win over one of the directional Michigans.
Still, the rest of that conference is...meh.

The Ivy??? I guess we can thank Poly's loss to Yale for that one.

And therein lies the problem for the BSC I guess. Too much of the OOC is still either against FBS, DII, or each other - none of which helps.

And we also didn't fare well when we did play against other FCS conferences...MSU losing to SFA, UNC and UNI, EWU and SHSU, Davis and USD, Poly and Yale, UND and SDSU. We finished 3-6 against.

Luckily, computers are only part of the process. The OSU win, 8 game winning streak, playoff history, and OVC's playoff history will still be in the minds of the committee. I also imagine that a simple eyeball comparison of our schedule, sans computer rankings, would give us the nod over both Maine and EIU. I also think Montana and SUU winning thus week increases our chances.

Latest SRS ratings still have EWU 4th (div 2 NW Missouri is ahead of EWU in SRS, no factor here). SOS rose a point from last week. Winning conference outright might be worth one place in the seeding game. But after SELA handled SHSU this past week, maybe not. Never trust a committee when East Coast bias can come into play IMO. SELA not likely to lose to Nicholls State next week.

http://www.footballperspective.com/non-fbs-college-football-ratings-through-12-weeks/

 

[luckyintheorder]

Also. Maine is at 10-1. If they beat UNH next weekend, they'll lock up the #3 seed, and we'll be looking at the #4 or #5 seed. That said, UNH has a chance there.

I looked, ans SELA plays Nichols State, so not holding my breathe on them beating SELA.

Both RPI and Sagarin are used by the playoff committee. As of now, Eastern is ahead of Maine in both polls. The RPI has Eastern at #3 among FCS teams, while the Sagarin has Eastern at #4, just one spot and a tiny fraction of a point below SE Louisiana. This is actually a little bizarre, as Sagarin has been accused of having a favorable view of Western football teams while the RPI is notoriously biased towards the East.

A couple notes about Sagarin:

NDSU is 24th, overall... :?

We are 72...

EIU is 43rd overall with a SoS rank 16 spots worse than us... :dunce:

WSU is 34th... hno:

The BSC is 6th FCS behind the OVC, Ivy, and Southland... :? :lol: :rofl: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

Outside of EIU who is a very good football team, the OVC really has no marquee wins and week SoS's.

The Southland is a little better with three quality teams and several marquee wins including Sam's over us, McNeese's destruction of USF, SELA's win over Samford and NWSU's win over one of the directional Michigans.
Still, the rest of that conference is...meh.

The Ivy??? I guess we can thank Poly's loss to Yale for that one. (Princeton is getting a lot of press on 3 QB system ... lucky)

And therein lies the problem for the BSC I guess. Too much of the OOC is still either against FBS, DII, or each other - none of which helps.

And we also didn't fare well when we did play against other FCS conferences...MSU losing to SFA, UNC and UNI, EWU and SHSU, Davis and USD, Poly and Yale, UND and SDSU. We finished 3-6 against.

Luckily, computers are only part of the process. The OSU win, 8 game winning streak, playoff history, and OVC's playoff history will still be in the minds of the committee. I also imagine that a simple eyeball comparison of our schedule, sans computer rankings, would give us the nod over both Maine and EIU. I also think Montana and SUU winning thus week increases our chances.

Latest SRS ratings still have EWU 4th (div 2 NW Missouri is ahead of EWU in SRS, no factor here). SOS rose a point from last week. Winning conference outright might be worth one place in the seeding game. But after SELA handled SHSU this past week, maybe not. Never trust a committee when East Coast bias can come into play IMO. SELA not likely to lose to Nicholls State next week. The MOV (margin of victory) stat is killing us. Could have been much higher. Looking at 4th seed with victory over PSU and all other things remaining equal.

http://www.footballperspective.com/non-fbs-college-football-ratings-through-12-weeks/

 

[ewueagle2010]

I think the Big Sky has an outside chance to get 5 teams in.

If SUU beats NAU and MSU beats UM, you would have the following:

EWU 8-0, 10-2 (assuming a win against PSU)
SUU 6-2, 9-3
NAU 6-2, 8-3
MSU 6-2, 8-4
UM 5-3, 9-3

How can voters leave out MSU when they beat UM and NAU? I doubt UM is left out with an overall record of 9-3, considering who they are. You can't leave NAU out with a better conference record than UM and a head to head win over them. And you certainly can't leave SUU out after beating MSU and NAU.

Now, if UM beats MSU, then we're looking at 4 teams from the Big Sky in. And if NAU beats SUU, then the T-Birds are probably out.

Interesting last week coming up, that's for sure!

 

[kalm]

I think the Big Sky has an outside chance to get 5 teams in.

If SUU beats NAU and MSU beats UM, you would have the following:

EWU 8-0, 10-2 (assuming a win against PSU)
SUU 6-2, 9-3
NAU 6-2, 8-3
MSU 6-2, 8-4
UM 5-3, 9-3

How can voters leave out MSU when they beat UM and NAU? I doubt UM is left out with an overall record of 9-3, considering who they are. You can't leave NAU out with a better conference record than UM and a head to head win over them. And you certainly can't leave SUU out after beating MSU and NAU.

Now, if UM beats MSU, then we're looking at 4 teams from the Big Sky in. And if NAU beats SUU, then the T-Birds are probably out.

Interesting last week coming up, that's for sure!

Agreed. In that scenario all 5 are in or somebody is going to get really screwed and it would almost have to be the Griz considering their lack of quality wins. Could you imagine the outrage if a 9-3 Montana gets bumped by a 9-3 TSU?

 

[ewueagle2010]

I think the Big Sky has an outside chance to get 5 teams in.

If SUU beats NAU and MSU beats UM, you would have the following:

EWU 8-0, 10-2 (assuming a win against PSU)
SUU 6-2, 9-3
NAU 6-2, 8-3
MSU 6-2, 8-4
UM 5-3, 9-3

How can voters leave out MSU when they beat UM and NAU? I doubt UM is left out with an overall record of 9-3, considering who they are. You can't leave NAU out with a better conference record than UM and a head to head win over them. And you certainly can't leave SUU out after beating MSU and NAU.

Now, if UM beats MSU, then we're looking at 4 teams from the Big Sky in. And if NAU beats SUU, then the T-Birds are probably out.

Interesting last week coming up, that's for sure!

Agreed. In that scenario all 5 are in or somebody is going to get really screwed and it would almost have to be the Griz considering their lack of quality wins. Could you imagine the outrage if a 9-3 Montana gets bumped by a 9-3 TSU?

The thought of that really makes me chuckle! In all seriousness though, they deserve to be in the least out of all of those teams. I'm sorry, but their schedule was WEAK!! A 5-3 conference record, coupled with out of conference wins against 3-7 South Dakota, 3-8 App St, D-II Oklahoma PANHANDLE STATE :shock: , and 3-8 North Dakota, is not deserving of a playoff team. hno:

 

[EAGLEFUZZ]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Panhandle State